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Post by missouriboy on Jan 10, 2018 18:59:30 GMT
I think it's more of a large scale mixing of air going on?? Cold air down, warm up. Of course it then is up to each person/organisation how they want to portray or WHAT they want too.... Still, there's clearly still lots of cold out there, and in many cases, it's busy cooling the places that provide the warmth, so...how long is the up warm going to be warm anymore?? Sure hope that someone is measuring all these energy/radiation/heat flows. If we are really going into a net loss environment (less solar coming in than going out) where and how it goes would seem to be really important. How fast does our liquid battery discharge? ... assuming it is. These temporal clusters of "extreme" events play out along the edges of these energy flows. Where the pressure systems and jets take them, together with their moisture content is providing the fuel for these snow events, which are moving and disbursing a lot of heat.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 10, 2018 23:20:02 GMT
Don't know climatology of Spain. Does it normally snow there in the winter? I am not sure about the average snowfall in the heartland of Spain but I know the Pyrenees gets plenty of the white stuff. I read Chuck Yeager's account of his journey across the Pyrenees into Spain after his P-51 Mustang was shot down over Nazi Occupied France. He described the weather crossing those mountains in detail. They just don't make men like that any more.
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 11, 2018 1:57:15 GMT
Yes they do. Most men our age would rise to the occasion.
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Post by acidohm on Jan 11, 2018 5:55:08 GMT
Don't know climatology of Spain. Does it normally snow there in the winter? I am not sure about the average snowfall in the heartland of Spain but I know the Pyrenees gets plenty of the white stuff. I read Chuck Yeager's account of his journey across the Pyrenees into Spain after his P-51 Mustang was shot down over Nazi Occupied France. He described the weather crossing those mountains in detail. They just don't make men like that any more. Was that his autobiography?? I read that as a kid, very inspiring! As a kid I also skied in the Sierra Nevada mountains, didn't keep my goggles on and got snow blind 😝. I visited Madrid later in life, no resorts there, a whole lot of flat and arid, I doubt that's a place that gets cold much..
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Post by Ratty on Jan 11, 2018 7:23:13 GMT
A real 'boys own' story is that of Nicki Barr: Nicky Barr, An Australian Air AceIt's written by Barr's physiotherapist, Peter Dornan. Synopsis: A compelling personal account of an Australian fighter pilot in World War 2.
Nicky Barr never deliberately sought danger or adventure, but when confronted with it he had the courage to face it and survive.
In 1939, at the age of 23, Nicky Barr was chosen to represent Australia in the international rugby world tour. The day after the squad arrived in England, war was declared and the tour was cancelled. Nicky immediately signed-up to become a fighter pilot in the RAAF and while fighting Rommel's famed Afrika Korp in North Africa, quickly rose through the ranks to become a squadron leader.
In the space of twelve months, Nicky shot down over twelve enemy planes, and was himself shot down three times. The third time, he was seriously wounded, including a leg injury that was to put an end to his rugby playing days, then captured and sent to Italy as a hospitalised prisoner of war. Nicky escaped four times-including once from a moving train. On the fourth escape he successfully evaded recapture and, together with a group of special operation commandoes, took part in a series of clandestine operations behind enemy lines and helped fellow prisoners of war escape.
Nicky Barr earned a reputation amongst allies and enemies alike for his acts of bravery, his selflessness, his dogged determination and his infectious sense of humour. His is a story of adventure, war, courage and mortality, and the love for his wife that sustained him through it all.Not sure about the 'compelling' ... Peter Dornan is a nice guy and a very good physiotherapist and the story carries the day. Years ago, I worked with a Wing Commander Keith Kildey who flew with Barr in the Western Desert.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 11, 2018 12:31:40 GMT
Yes they do. Most men our age would rise to the occasion. I was not knocking our present day fighting men. They just have not had the challenges to overcome that the men of the Greatest Generation had to endure.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 11, 2018 12:47:45 GMT
I am not sure about the average snowfall in the heartland of Spain but I know the Pyrenees gets plenty of the white stuff. I read Chuck Yeager's account of his journey across the Pyrenees into Spain after his P-51 Mustang was shot down over Nazi Occupied France. He described the weather crossing those mountains in detail. They just don't make men like that any more. Was that his autobiography?? I read that as a kid, very inspiring! As a kid I also skied in the Sierra Nevada mountains, didn't keep my goggles on and got snow blind 😝. I visited Madrid later in life, no resorts there, a whole lot of flat and arid, I doubt that's a place that gets cold much.. Yes. To add to the legend he was wounded by flak when he was shot down. With help from the French Resistance he and another fallen airman made the trek across the Pyrenees from France to Spain. Along the way they took shelter in a vacant wood cutters shanty. During the night a German patrol riddled the shanty with bullets. His traveling companion was severely wounded and after narrowly escaping he had to carry the wounded airmen for the next several days before finally making it into neutral Spain. It was then common practice to "ground" anyone who was fortunate enough to make it back if they received any help from the resistance. The thought was if they were shot down again and captured they would reveal the members of the resistance under torture. He fought this "grounding" all the way up the the top. Eventually then General Eisenhower signed off on the orders allowing him to return to the air in combat. So after being shot down and "earning" a free ticket home he chose to fight the system and go back into Hell. He certainly earned his "Man Card".
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 11, 2018 12:55:14 GMT
A real 'boys own' story is that of Nicki Barr: Nicky Barr, An Australian Air AceIt's written by Barr's physiotherapist, Peter Dornan. Synopsis: A compelling personal account of an Australian fighter pilot in World War 2.
Nicky Barr never deliberately sought danger or adventure, but when confronted with it he had the courage to face it and survive.
In 1939, at the age of 23, Nicky Barr was chosen to represent Australia in the international rugby world tour. The day after the squad arrived in England, war was declared and the tour was cancelled. Nicky immediately signed-up to become a fighter pilot in the RAAF and while fighting Rommel's famed Afrika Korp in North Africa, quickly rose through the ranks to become a squadron leader.
In the space of twelve months, Nicky shot down over twelve enemy planes, and was himself shot down three times. The third time, he was seriously wounded, including a leg injury that was to put an end to his rugby playing days, then captured and sent to Italy as a hospitalised prisoner of war. Nicky escaped four times-including once from a moving train. On the fourth escape he successfully evaded recapture and, together with a group of special operation commandoes, took part in a series of clandestine operations behind enemy lines and helped fellow prisoners of war escape.
Nicky Barr earned a reputation amongst allies and enemies alike for his acts of bravery, his selflessness, his dogged determination and his infectious sense of humour. His is a story of adventure, war, courage and mortality, and the love for his wife that sustained him through it all.Not sure about the 'compelling' ... Peter Dornan is a nice guy and a very good physiotherapist and the story carries the day. Years ago, I worked with a Wing Commander Keith Kildey who flew with Barr in the Western Desert. I will have to read about Mr. Barr. Were getting off topic but speaking about fighter pilots and "real men". Google The Blonde Knight Of Germany AKA Eric Hartmann. He fought for the other side during WWII but his exploits are legendary. Credited with shooting down a record 352 Allied aircraft. After the war he turned down preferential treatment from the Soviet's and spent years in a Russian Gulag.
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Post by Ratty on Jan 11, 2018 13:19:56 GMT
[ Snip ] I will have to read about Mr. Barr. Were getting off topic but speaking about fighter pilots and "real men". Google The Blonde Knight Of Germany AKA Eric Hartmann. He fought for the other side during WWII but his exploits are legendary. Credited with shooting down a record 352 Allied aircraft. After the war he turned down preferential treatment from the Soviet's and spent years in a Russian Gulag. Had heard about him but wouldn't have been able to name him; looked him up: The Aviation History On-Line Museum.
Next poster can get us back on topic.
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Post by acidohm on Jan 11, 2018 15:15:52 GMT
It's damp and cold in England.
Not feeling very heroic 😉
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 11, 2018 19:02:01 GMT
It's dry and sorta cold in ND. Current temperature -9F with a 30+mph N/NW wind. I am going to have to hunt for a cap.
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Post by glennkoks on Jan 11, 2018 22:24:44 GMT
It's damp, stormy and pleasantly warm in Houston. Currently 70F. However, the next round of arctic air is just hours away. The low tonight is 30F. About forty degrees colder than it is now with a gale warning in effect for the winds switching to the North at 40+ MPH.
Continuing our coldest winter in at least a decade if not longer.
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Post by acidohm on Jan 11, 2018 22:29:38 GMT
GFS has SSW by 27th, ECMFW agreed with formation to day 10, which is as far as it goes.
If this comes off, someone in NH will go cold mid Feb....
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 11, 2018 22:45:54 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jan 11, 2018 23:41:47 GMT
It's damp and cold in England. Not feeling very heroic 😉 It's damp (relative humidity 65%) and hot-ish (32C) in SE Queensland.
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