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Post by missouriboy on Aug 22, 2018 23:22:15 GMT
And considerably above satellite-based estimates. Seems they have one good charge left in them before oblivion? Banzai! It seems inescapable to me that the oceans are cooling with seaice on the low side (globally) and that would be a cooling not monitored by the surface record. In fact probably mostly not even monitored by ARGO. Going sideways with the temperature as it is doing now isn't going to cut it. Low sea ice should be allowing an unusual amount of heat into the atmosphere helping support current warming but I think its unsustainable. In the tropics ARGO shows that the upper oceans (0-300 feet) temperature trend has been cooling consistently since 2004. Dilley suggests that periodic lunar gravitational pulses of warm Atlantic water are responsible for the Arctic melt. ARGO shows the 2008 and 2017 pulses in a cross-section of 45-60N and 0-30W (below). The 2017 pulse is cooler and much shorter and appears to be falling away. A map view of 0-300 m deviations are shown in the second graph clockwise from lower left for June of 2008, 2015, 2017 and 2018. The dramatic 2015 cooling must Shirley have something to do with ice melt unless a cold bottom current is pumping in cold, or unless loss to the atmosphere is really high. The North Atlantic Ocean is 4X the Arctic Ocean in size, deeper and a much greater thermal reservoir. So, while less Arctic sea ice may allow more heat to escape the water column, it can't be more than what's there ... which must be many times less than the N Atlantic ... which still dominates the system? North Atlantic surface temperatures must set the baseline temperature conditions at recording stations along it's edges. Chart 3 shows Wunderground monthly temperature deviations from 1997 for multiple stations from Brest, France to Reykjavik, Iceland. In 2010, the relatively low-range seasonal temperatures of Solar Cycle 23, became much more erratic. Solar minimum initiated a 4-year series of colder seasonal temperatures into 2014, followed by a 3-year return to generally warmer conditions. The 2015-16 cold water conditions seem to have affected the Reykjavik record the most. We could perhaps expect a similar, or greater decline into the emerging minimum ... with perhaps a fall to lower base temperatures as the N Atlantic continues to cool. Merridional air mass movements obviously affect the greater seasonal temperature ranges of the coastal stations since the start of SC24.
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Post by fredzl4dh on Sept 14, 2018 2:56:55 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Sept 14, 2018 15:24:53 GMT
Missouri, We can't afford to pay you a raise but my wife has amassed a considerable stash of boxtops for education, if you're interested? www.boxtops4education.com/We collect them too but I can’t give them to Mo’boy.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 15, 2018 4:57:23 GMT
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Post by blustnmtn on Sept 15, 2018 11:45:28 GMT
You can almost hear them cursing DJT under their breath.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 15, 2018 12:43:26 GMT
[ Snip ] You can almost hear them cursing DJT under their breath. If you listen carefully to the video, I think you will find that was elephant farts.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 16, 2018 11:01:48 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 16, 2018 14:43:01 GMT
That Gold Coast temp range looks perfect to me.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 16, 2018 21:54:21 GMT
That Gold Coast temp range looks perfect to me.
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 18, 2018 17:39:58 GMT
That Gold Coast temp range looks perfect to me. Don't worry Ratty. No one else can afford your electricity prices.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 18, 2018 23:58:19 GMT
[ Snip ] Don't worry Ratty. No one else can afford your electricity prices. The unkindest cut ...
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Post by AstroMet on Sept 27, 2018 18:27:24 GMT
It seems inescapable to me that the oceans are cooling with seaice on the low side (globally) and that would be a cooling not monitored by the surface record. In fact probably mostly not even monitored by ARGO. Going sideways with the temperature as it is doing now isn't going to cut it. Low sea ice should be allowing an unusual amount of heat into the atmosphere helping support current warming but I think its unsustainable. In the tropics ARGO shows that the upper oceans (0-300 feet) temperature trend has been cooling consistently since 2004. Dilley suggests that periodic lunar gravitational pulses of warm Atlantic water are responsible for the Arctic melt. ARGO shows the 2008 and 2017 pulses in a cross-section of 45-60N and 0-30W (below). The 2017 pulse is cooler and much shorter and appears to be falling away. A map view of 0-300 m deviations are shown in the second graph clockwise from lower left for June of 2008, 2015, 2017 and 2018. The dramatic 2015 cooling must Shirley have something to do with ice melt unless a cold bottom current is pumping in cold, or unless loss to the atmosphere is really high. The North Atlantic Ocean is 4X the Arctic Ocean in size, deeper and a much greater thermal reservoir. So, while less Arctic sea ice may allow more heat to escape the water column, it can't be more than what's there ... which must be many times less than the N Atlantic ... which still dominates the system? North Atlantic surface temperatures must set the baseline temperature conditions at recording stations along it's edges. Chart 3 shows Wunderground monthly temperature deviations from 1997 for multiple stations from Brest, France to Reykjavik, Iceland. In 2010, the relatively low-range seasonal temperatures of Solar Cycle 23, became much more erratic. Solar minimum initiated a 4-year series of colder seasonal temperatures into 2014, followed by a 3-year return to generally warmer conditions. The 2015-16 cold water conditions seem to have affected the Reykjavik record the most. We could perhaps expect a similar, or greater decline into the emerging minimum ... with perhaps a fall to lower base temperatures as the N Atlantic continues to cool. Merridional air mass movements obviously affect the greater seasonal temperature ranges of the coastal stations since the start of SC24. Yes, this is indeed what has been happening to the Earth's climate as we transitioned from solar-forced global warming to solar-forced global cooling over the last 15 years.
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Post by Ratty on Sept 28, 2018 0:36:18 GMT
[ Snip ] Yes, this is indeed what has been happening to the Earth's climate as we transitioned from solar-forced global warming to solar-forced global cooling over the last 15 years. Good to see you Astro.
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Post by missouriboy on Sept 28, 2018 19:24:10 GMT
Hey Missouri, No fair doing Astro's homework for him, hows he going to learn anything? We endeavor to persevere (ad lucem).
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 28, 2018 22:37:39 GMT
Hey Missouri, No fair doing Astro's homework for him, hows he going to learn anything? We endeavor to persevere (ad lucem). Ad Lucem Brian May, CBE, PhD, FRAS is a founding member of Queen, a world-renowned guitarist, songwriter, producer and performer, also a Doctor of Astrophysics, 3-D stereoscopic photographic authority and a passionate advocate and campaigner for animal rights. brianmay.com/brian/biog.html a well qualified guitarist
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