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Post by Col 'NDX on Feb 24, 2009 17:28:57 GMT
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Post by Belushi TD on Feb 24, 2009 22:17:09 GMT
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Post by leashl on Feb 25, 2009 3:11:24 GMT
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Post by calmann on Feb 25, 2009 4:41:21 GMT
>>>>>>our observation that "every year this happens" is because, every year, people figure out what's going on behind the scenes....and, every year, the silence--not unlike the silence of the sun as of late--is deafening!
Actually, I just meant that the Global Warming thread was more appropriate for this topic. It seems to involve politics.
Thanks Kevin for moving this thread.
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Post by dc51 on Feb 25, 2009 19:30:25 GMT
Slightly off topic, Looking at solar cycle 24.com, at the bottom of the page the number of visitors, 1,642,500 in over 2 years, most the same people over and over again. Now assuming about a billion people world wide have the internet. There's not a lot of interest or knowledge in what may be a significant event unfolding?
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Post by alamo on Feb 25, 2009 21:36:01 GMT
hello no speak english google happy know attention- www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/25/jstor_climate_report_translation/"Japan's boffins: Global warming isn't man-made" "Climate science is 'ancient astrology' " "t seems that global warming and the halting of the temperature rise are related to solar activity. Currently, the sun is "hibernating". The end of Sunspot Cycle 23 is already two years late: the cycle should have started in 2007, yet in January 2008 only one sunspot appeared in the sun's northern hemisphere, after that, they vanished completely (new sunspots have now begun to appear in the northern hemisphere). At the current time, it can clearly be seen there are no spots in the photosphere. Lately, solar winds are at their lowest levels in 50 years. Cycle 24 is overdue, and this is is worrisome."
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Post by leashl on Feb 26, 2009 0:38:53 GMT
February 25th 2009 from NBC Washington Apologies for Global Warming context but it does mention solar cycle inactivity. "..But most solar scientists expect the Sun to shortly begin to show more sunspots and not go into an unexpected long “quiet” time, as happened about 500 years ago..." www.nbcwashington.com/weather/stories/Bob-Ryan-on-Global-Warming-Part-4.html
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Post by ron on Feb 26, 2009 4:21:56 GMT
February 25th 2009 from NBC Washington Apologies for Global Warming context but it does mention solar cycle inactivity. "..But most solar scientists expect the Sun to shortly begin to show more sunspots and not go into an unexpected long “quiet” time, as happened about 500 years ago..." www.nbcwashington.com/weather/stories/Bob-Ryan-on-Global-Warming-Part-4.html Well, that would be the odds-on favorite position to take, wouldn't it? Let me go out on a limb here.... I predict that NH summer will be warmer than the last ice age. I also predict that my home which is in a 500 year flood plain will not be flooded this year. I would like to hear from the scientists who disagree!
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Post by savethesharks on Feb 26, 2009 6:02:29 GMT
In response to Calmann.....I understand that the subject of suppression of the solar cycle 24 in the news may involve "politics", as you say. But that STILL DOES NOT explain why, just like the lack of sunspots, there is a dearth of coversage on this issue....and it begs the question as to why this VERY important topic should be relegated to ...."global warming." That thread was started to discuss the lack of sunspot lack of coverage in the news... .and not started to discuss its relation to the soon to be defunct AGW issue. And so.....since I keep getting bounced around on this blog....I present this here as well. Not sure where it should be classified....but if anybody has some answers to the following I would appreciate it! Take the time to read I think you will find the discrepancies in the available data worthy of attention. This post is not referencing a one particular newspaper article, but it references multiple news accounts: MAGNETAR BLAST JAN 21 Wanted to consult the experts to see if you could address the following: Do you believe there is a link (however small) between the very low solar activity and sunspot dearth as of late, to the relative strength of that monster magnetar pulse that “shockwaved” across Earth’s magnetosphere on 21 January? I am sure you all have seen this many times from the NASA website, but I can watch it again and again as it is spectacular! www.youtube.com/watch?v=anOk8neIFHgSwitching a little bit to meteorology: At about the same time of that blast, a Sudden Stratospheric Warming event that had begun a few days earlier over the North Pole…all of the sudden seemed to amplify…and became one of the greatest events of its kind since records have been kept. So the second part of the question is this: Could such a large pulse of energy across Space be (at least partially) the cause of such an epic SSW event? It is really puzzling, too, when you look at the animation from the CPC site showing the temperature changes at the 10mb level, it shows that SSW event has passed and that indeed significant cooling is occurring. www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/intraseasonal/temp10anim.shtmlBut when you look at the vertical cross section of the polar vortex, you get this: www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/hgt.shtmlThis chart when combined with the 10mb video above, do not jive at all. As a matter of fact….the amount of RED since January 21 from about the 200 mb level on up, is rather unsettling. Anyone have an answer to that? And then back to my earlier question, in recap: Does…current low solar activity > sun’s defenses down to a degree > allow magnetar pulses to sweep across the Solar System @ a stronger rate > affecting the earth’s upper atmosphere to a greater degree > and perhaps affecting weather on earth (such as this past epic SSW event)?? Thanks. Chris Norfolk, VA, USA
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Post by savethesharks on Feb 26, 2009 6:34:09 GMT
correction "coverage"
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Post by dopeydog on Feb 26, 2009 15:56:54 GMT
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Post by thehawg on Feb 27, 2009 14:53:40 GMT
But that STILL DOES NOT explain why, just like the lack of sunspots, there is a dearth of coversage on this issue....and it begs the question as to why this VERY important topic should be relegated to ...."global warming."
Just a lurker who has a little experience in journalism who will offer his .02 worth.
First, as a rule in newstories: if it bleeds, it leads. A quiet sun that has no immediate visible effects on weather--along with NASA folks who constantly reassure the msm that nothing is unusual about it means that there is nothing to terrify the hoi pilloi with.
Secondly, and trying to answer the question as to why it is continually linked with AGW, those the msm have labeled "deniers" point to the sun as a major driver of climate. These same media folks have bought into the IPCC's assumption that the sun is not a major driver of climate, ergo to talk about the suns quietness might give the "deniers" some credibility, and that would lessen the fear of AGW. And of course, without fear, most in the msm believe that they wouldn't have a job--although with the current recession and tanking of newspapers, that might happen anyway.
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Post by gruffy on Feb 27, 2009 16:51:39 GMT
But that STILL DOES NOT explain why, just like the lack of sunspots, there is a dearth of coversage [sic] on this issue....and it begs the question as to why this VERY important topic should be relegated to ...."global warming."
I think Freeman Dyson has hit the nail squarely on the head: AGW is a sect of the religion entitled Environmentalism: www.nybooks.com/articles/21494The religion of environmentalism is a socialist driven pre-occupation. The leaders of the oligarchy see it as 1) a way to keep people's minds off their losses; 2) a way to generate income (those losses); 3) a way to keep the people's minds in a state of fear; 4) a way to keep trembling people kneeling at their feet, begging for "help." Religions are founded on "revelation." Revelation, therefore is a source of income, be it tithes, offerings, or taxes. If revelation appears to fail, tithes, offerings and taxes fall off. The world's media is an arm of the Environmentalism religion, being, for the most part, composed of graduates of institutions devoted to the socialism religion. Government schools are devoted to the generation of serfs (thank you John Taylor Gatto). These serfs have been brainwashed for several generations to be "needy." These serfs need help to survive in this awful world loaded with humans who pollute and "stain" the planet. Religions are also founded on fear. Fear of "the devil." Fear of "Global Warming." Fear of "right wing kooks." Fear of being hit by huge asteroids (anyone notice the HUGE number of apocolyptic programs being dumpted on the masses by "The Weather Channel," "National Geographic," "Discovery,""History Channel?") Ergo - AGW revelations appear to be failing => the media can not mention any of those possibilities. Any media that does so, including the Global Warming Petition Project, is labeled "right wing conservative," much like various variant sects are labeled as "kooks" by the mainstream religion (when they start getting public attention). The media will not mention any of these solar-terrestrial changes because even the media is afraid. If any of this solar cooling is true, their religion is failing...darkness is winning over "light." ffurgy_|_gruffy (commenting from the Mad Hatter's Picnic Symposium entitled "The Damnation Of Archibald.")
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Post by solarbetel on Mar 1, 2009 20:07:51 GMT
The blank sun got their attention back in June 2008: www.cbn.com/CBNnews/385375.aspxAnd I like this quote: "if Solar Cycle 24 becomes a household term, your lifestyle could be taking a dramatic turn for the worse."
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Post by Pooh on Mar 1, 2009 20:59:34 GMT
It might be news if: "the March 2 protest at the Capitol Power Plant in Southeast Washington, D.C" coincides with "Statement as of 3:39 PM EST on March 01, 2009 [For Washington, DC] "A Winter Storm Warning remains in effect until 2 PM EST Monday. "Low pressure over South Carolina will move up the eastern Seaboard this evening... creating a tight gradient of accumulating snowfall over the mid Atlantic region. Accumulating snows have begun to affect portions areas of north central Virginia and southern Maryland. Snowfall will be heaviest with this storm between 8 PM and 3 am. Snowfall may taper off for a period afterwards... before another period of snow occurs during the morning hours. Precipitation is expected to end by mid morning Monday. "For areas from the Blue Ridge to Interstate 95 5 to 7 inches of snow can be expected by Monday morning. Between I-95 and the Chesapeake Bay totals of 7 to 10 inches are expected." There would be a certain justice if this happens, given Hansen's ploy of overheating the committee room in 1988. ;D Kevin's choice of picture for this Board Section would prove prescient. Much better post in WUWT: wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/01/hansens-coal-and-global-warming-protest-may-get-snowed-out/#more-5937
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