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Post by sigurdur on Oct 24, 2009 1:27:48 GMT
Obama said some opponents "make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change — claims whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary."
I have been reading scientific evidence for years. Where does this "overwhelming" idea come from?
Among scientists of merit and credibility, I would guess perhaps 40% favor agw, and 60% are looking for the reasons the climate changes.
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Post by Ratty on Oct 24, 2009 4:43:37 GMT
I personally know three guys you could call scientists. None of them is pro-AGW. Maybe 4% in favour would be closer to the mark ....
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Post by poitsplace on Oct 24, 2009 4:44:05 GMT
Its annoying that they're trying to prematurely (ie, expensive) switch to infeasible (ie, compounded expense) to avoid a rate of warming 2-4 times warmer than any of the observed data. Worse they often take the high end estimates and treat it as if they were the mid point of a +/- 50% sort of thing. Didn't Obama suggest 6C or so in one of his speeches? Where the heck did THAT come from???
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Post by trbixler on Oct 24, 2009 13:08:10 GMT
Even with no clue both houses and President might pass Cap and Tax based on their cluelessness. It is not about science it is about money, power, greed and beliefs. Even without Cap and Tax Obama's other hand Lisa Jackson has backhandedly trumped congress by declaring CO2 a pollutant and will have the EPA regulating it. Imagine CO2 part of the carbon life cycle branded a pollutant. Kind of takes your breath away.
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Post by socold on Oct 24, 2009 13:26:59 GMT
"make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change — claims whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary"
Well I can think of what he means right away.
How about the claims that co2 rise is not caused by human emissions, or that volcanoes emit more co2 than man. Or that co2 is not a greenhouse gas. Or that co2 used to be higher in the 1930s. Or the greenhouse effect doesn't exist. You don't have to go far to find people "trying to get away with" gutter claims that contradict overwhelming scientific evidence.
Although he also takes a swipe at me:
"But understand there's also another myth that we have to dispel, and this one is far more dangerous because we're all somewhat complicit in it. It's far more dangerous than any attack made by those who wish to stand in the way progress -- and that's the idea that there is nothing or little that we can do."
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Post by sigurdur on Oct 24, 2009 13:27:40 GMT
I might be wrong, but I do not see a cap and trade bill passing. The cold summer would seem to have given everyone a reprieve from this tax.
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Post by w7psk on Oct 24, 2009 14:49:18 GMT
I might be wrong, but I do not see a cap and trade bill passing. The cold summer would seem to have given everyone a reprieve from this tax. Dont underestimate the greed and stupidity of the Politicians.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 24, 2009 16:19:09 GMT
I might be wrong, but I do not see a cap and trade bill passing. The cold summer would seem to have given everyone a reprieve from this tax. Dont underestimate the greed and stupidity of the Politicians. If only stupidity was painful
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Post by itsthesunstupid on Oct 24, 2009 17:44:34 GMT
"make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change — claims whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary" Well I can think of what he means right away. How about the claims that co2 rise is not caused by human emissions, or that volcanoes emit more co2 than man. Or that co2 is not a greenhouse gas. Or that co2 used to be higher in the 1930s. Or the greenhouse effect doesn't exist. You don't have to go far to find people "trying to get away with" gutter claims that contradict overwhelming scientific evidence. Although he also takes a swipe at me: "But understand there's also another myth that we have to dispel, and this one is far more dangerous because we're all somewhat complicit in it. It's far more dangerous than any attack made by those who wish to stand in the way progress -- and that's the idea that there is nothing or little that we can do." Cynicism includes the use of strawman arguments, which is the recent strategy of warmist trying to play stall ball so they can pass cap n' trade before all the actual science and real world evidence catches up to their disproven theories, predicitons and falsified data.
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Post by socold on Oct 24, 2009 17:57:24 GMT
Cynicism includes the use of strawman arguments Strawman arguments like "humans only cause 3% of the co2 emissions in the world"
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Post by itsthesunstupid on Oct 24, 2009 18:07:09 GMT
Cynicism includes the use of strawman arguments Strawman arguments like "humans only cause 3% of the co2 emissions in the world" No, more like what you just did which was to change the subject . . . again.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Oct 24, 2009 19:27:17 GMT
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Post by stevenotsteve on Oct 30, 2009 0:40:21 GMT
socold. make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change
Ha ha, you are so funny socold. You don't even realise that you are just one of the useful stupid and you still spout this nonsense. There is no science in Global Warming, it's just a scam and has been exposed so many times that noone listens anymore.
The overwhelming AGW lies create such a stench that it makes every honest person want to throw up.
Is that what you wanted to say socold.
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Post by dontgetoutmuch on Oct 30, 2009 19:41:37 GMT
Speaking of people who have no clue...
It has become patently obvious that most if not every single study that supports the idea of AGW is bunk! I would even go so far as to say that except for Hockey Team members and their groupies, the science IS settled on AGW. That being that AGW is a world class scam that has enriched its perpetrators beyond their wildest dreams. BO has a clue, the AGW scam dovetails nicely with his political agenda, he knows what he is doing. Furthermore he is not even doing anything that can be pinned on him. After the house of cards comes tumbling down, and the Teams extensive wrongdoing comes to light, UNDER THE BUS THEY WILL GO. I can picture BO giving a news conference claiming that he was just following the guidance of his top scientists when he grabbed all that power, spent all that money, and so on. How was he to know that they were frauds and criminals they are the ones to blame. That would be the perfect ending for him, AFTER he gets his agenda passed.
No the people who have no clue are the AGW groupies that support the AGW agenda but are not part of the fraud itself. These people actually believe in AGW! They muddy the waters by mindlessly repeating flawed studies, and creating a moving target for those who are trying to put a stop to the whole mad scheme. Don’t think for a moment that Obama and Gore and Mann and Jones, and Briffa and Hansen actually believe in AGW. They know it is a figment of their robustly peer-reviewed imaginations. But they are getting what they want by continuing the scam. What are the groupies getting besides playing the gullible, inept henchmen to the scammers?
I wonder, if, at the end of the day, they will realize how much they were used.
I’m betting not.
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Post by twawki on Oct 31, 2009 0:48:02 GMT
Dont underestimate the greed and stupidity of the Politicians. If only stupidity was painful It will be - the charade of AGW will be the death of many a career
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