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Post by skline5 on Dec 25, 2009 15:55:46 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 25, 2009 15:59:50 GMT
Haven't you been on top of this? IF it snows and cools it is caused by co2. Ya see, co2 is the new cause of EVERYTHING. Why...it even caused me to turn the thermostat up today as the wind is howing at 40mph.
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Post by jurinko on Dec 25, 2009 16:01:40 GMT
Joe Bastardi from Accuweather says he does not remember 80% of Europe covered by Snow before Christmas. We had -20s in Central Europe last week, followed by strong thaw now, which will be followed by deep freeze again.
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Post by hilbert on Dec 25, 2009 16:11:07 GMT
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Post by jayjay on Dec 25, 2009 22:22:52 GMT
More snow ..... more snow blowers ...... more C02 ...... more global warming .... right? This came to me as I cleared the 12 inches of snow this morning in a blizzard in Omaha.
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Post by aj1983 on Dec 26, 2009 0:24:14 GMT
We had a lot of snow this morning which turned into a lot of rain, so now most of the snow has melted . Officially on both days 1 cm of snow has to cover the ground here for a white christmas. There is a small change that enough snow will last until tomorrow. The last one was in 1981, so that has become a pretty rare event recently. However, next week might also be cold. If this verifies, we might be heading towards a cold winter, which would be the first one since 1996...
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Post by Purinoli on Dec 26, 2009 11:35:01 GMT
We had a lot of snow this morning which turned into a lot of rain, so now most of the snow has melted . Officially on both days 1 cm of snow has to cover the ground here for a white christmas. There is a small change that enough snow will last until tomorrow. The last one was in 1981, so that has become a pretty rare event recently. However, next week might also be cold. If this verifies, we might be heading towards a cold winter, which would be the first one since 1996... We ( in Europe) are facing now an interesting weather oscilations. For example, I live in Slovenia, about 100 km NE of Adriatic sea. From dec 14-22 we had subzero temps, average -6 oC with neg. peak of -20.5 oC on Dec.20. Than come a very strong SW winds on Dec 24 ( wind gust 115 km/h ) which lasted about 14 hours ! Temps jumped to +14 oC ! ( 35 oC difference in 2 days!). If I just try to think how huge mass of air was blowing few 1,000 km through Europe in this 14 h. T is now normal for Dec but this events make me thinking something out there is changing a lot, chaoticaly but significant. And also a lot of precipitations ( snow, rain) and much more clouds ( cosmic rays effect?). Anyway, one point of observation means nothing, but combined with almost all N hemisfere conditions this Dec anyway means something.
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Post by aj1983 on Dec 27, 2009 0:11:27 GMT
Those wild fluctuations started about 2 years ago. Seems that the NAO index is very low? There are many blocking patterns, and the Rossby waves show great amplitude. This has created the great fluctuations we have seen recently, depending on which side of the (almost stationary) Rossby wave you are it is cold or warm. We have been in a warm phase for a very long time in western Europe (that is quite common), but this has changed dramatically two weeks ago. Now it looks like we might go back to a more zonal pattern, which is much more usual. The transition to a more zonal pattern happens very often just before Christmas in western Europe, and ends near the end of the year. At the start of a new year, weather usually turns colder again.
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Post by aj1983 on Dec 27, 2009 0:13:31 GMT
OH, I forgot to mention that we had an official white christmas this year, the first one since 1981. However, it is really a global warming one , snow rapidly melting with rain on the 25th and 6 C today.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 27, 2009 0:23:37 GMT
OH, I forgot to mention that we had an official white christmas this year, the first one since 1981. However, it is really a global warming one , snow rapidly melting with rain on the 25th and 6 C today. From the looks of what is coming to Europe, you had better enjoy that 6C.......won't last long. But.....do you admit that the warmth feels a whole lot better than the cold?
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 27, 2009 0:37:45 GMT
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Post by aj1983 on Dec 27, 2009 1:37:27 GMT
sigurdur: it is actually a lot more windy and rainy now, so I prefer the "cold". However, you would consider it relatively warm on our coldest days (warm gulf stream has great influence, considering that I am at 53 degrees north). Last two weeks temperatures were usually hovering around 0 C (32F) during the day and a few degrees colder during the night. We had one or two "cold" days, when temperature reached 0 F/-18C locally at night (we only reached 12 F (-11) here), and it was -8 C (18F) during the day. Usually when it freezes here it does not rain, it is sunny and the frost is not too bad, so that's why I prefer "cold" here, because it never gets REALLY cold (the record is -27 C I believe).
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 27, 2009 1:43:36 GMT
sigurdur: it is actually a lot more windy and rainy now, so I prefer the "cold". However, you would consider it relatively warm on our coldest days (warm gulf stream has great influence, considering that I am at 53 degrees north). Last two weeks temperatures were usually hovering around 0 C (32F) during the day and a few degrees colder during the night. We had one or two "cold" days, when temperature reached 0 F/-18C locally at night (we only reached 12 F (-11) here), and it was -8 C (18F) during the day. Usually when it freezes here it does not rain, it is sunny and the frost is not too bad, so that's why I prefer "cold" here, because it never gets REALLY cold (the record is -27 C I believe). The record is only -27C? Heck....that is a warm spell at times! It has been -60F near here. I have observed -43F........that issss a bit nippy.
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Post by aj1983 on Dec 27, 2009 2:10:03 GMT
That shouldn't be surprising if you consider that the North Sea is still currently 8 C and I'm only 50 miles from the coast. The North Sea hardly ever freezes, and is usually around 5 C in winter.
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 27, 2009 10:32:48 GMT
Minus 1C and sleet in Amsterdam feels a lot colder than minus 37 and snow.
Just hope that the Gulf Stream does not slow as some are predicting.
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