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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 8, 2010 18:24:22 GMT
An entertaining bit of SciFi is being repeated on History Channel at 5pm ET Sat. Jan 9. Watched part of it last nite. Everyone's favorite EOTWAKI scenarios (and their proponents ) show and tell. Holdren, VanJones, etc.
"Easter Island, the Mayan ruins, and the abandoned pueblos of Chaco Canyon all stand as haunting monuments to extinct civilizations. Each of these societies collapsed because of man-made ecological disasters. Each confronted choices chillingly similar to the ones we face today. Are we living in the last century of our civilization? Many of the world's top scientists say yes, unless we quickly learn the lessons of the past. This two-hour special examines the current path of our modern world. Top U.S. Army, intelligence, and policymakers who have modeled a scenario of the next century say that if we continue on this trajectory, over the next hundred years the "perfect storm" of population growth, resource depletion, climate change, terrorism and disease will converge in an unstable world with catastrophic results. What lessons of the past must we heed to survive ?"
Of course, the last 15 minutes are devoted to telling us we must do what the doomsayers say in order to avoid the previous hour and 45 minutes.
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Post by AstroMet on Jan 8, 2010 18:28:46 GMT
An entertaining bit of SciFi is being repeated on History Channel at 5pm ET Sat. Jan 9. Watched part of it last nite. Everyone's favorite EOTWAKI scenarios (and their proponents ) show and tell. Holdren, VanJones, etc. "Easter Island, the Mayan ruins, and the abandoned pueblos of Chaco Canyon all stand as haunting monuments to extinct civilizations. Each of these societies collapsed because of man-made ecological disasters. Each confronted choices chillingly similar to the ones we face today. Are we living in the last century of our civilization? Many of the world's top scientists say yes, unless we quickly learn the lessons of the past. This two-hour special examines the current path of our modern world. Top U.S. Army, intelligence, and policymakers who have modeled a scenario of the next century say that if we continue on this trajectory, over the next hundred years the "perfect storm" of population growth, resource depletion, climate change, terrorism and disease will converge in an unstable world with catastrophic results. What lessons of the past must we heed to survive ?" This is a real possibility in my perspective. However, the reasons are that those who have been driving the world towards this kind of future are responsible for it's eventual outcome. Climate Gate is a pure example of this - www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbPDc5aE-LU&feature=relatedWe cannot continue to allow science to be run by fraudsters who manipulate and destroy data and the billions of dollars they have stolen to maintain their AGW ideology. That is one of the reasons the world continues to head in the wrong direction. It is a shame. |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 8, 2010 18:32:21 GMT
An entertaining bit of SciFi is being repeated on History Channel at 5pm ET Sat. Jan 9. Watched part of it last nite. Everyone's favorite EOTWAKI scenarios (and their proponents ) show and tell. Holdren, VanJones, etc. "Easter Island, the Mayan ruins, and the abandoned pueblos of Chaco Canyon all stand as haunting monuments to extinct civilizations. Each of these societies collapsed because of man-made ecological disasters. Each confronted choices chillingly similar to the ones we face today. Are we living in the last century of our civilization? Many of the world's top scientists say yes, unless we quickly learn the lessons of the past. This two-hour special examines the current path of our modern world. Top U.S. Army, intelligence, and policymakers who have modeled a scenario of the next century say that if we continue on this trajectory, over the next hundred years the "perfect storm" of population growth, resource depletion, climate change, terrorism and disease will converge in an unstable world with catastrophic results. What lessons of the past must we heed to survive ?" This is a real possibility in my perspective. However, the reasons are that those who have been driving the world towards this kind of future are responsible for it's eventual outcome. Climate Gate is a pure example of this - www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbPDc5aE-LU&feature=relatedWe cannot continue to allow science to be run by fraudsters who manipulate and destroy data and the billions of dollars they have stolen to maintain their AGW ideology. That is one of the reasons the world continues to head in the wrong direction. It is a shame. Actually, I think the phrase was: "It's a travesty."   |
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 8, 2010 20:16:07 GMT
I agree. It IS a travesty that it hasn't continued to warm. There are sooooo many benifits from warmth verses cold.
I wish we could get back to the Holocene Optimum temps. I would like to experience those, but for some reason, I don't believe that is going to happen.
The answer it really quit simple. Move everyone in the world to Texas, there is room there. Then we can use the rest of the world to produce our food etc with a very rural type setting.
And being most people will be in Texas, we can build a cover over Texas to trap the resulting co2 and all will be saved.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 9, 2010 23:03:36 GMT
I'm pretty sure your Texas comment was in jest, but I doubt the logistics of that scenario would work. |
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Post by sigurdur on Jan 10, 2010 0:01:07 GMT
I'm pretty sure your Texas comment was in jest, but I doubt the logistics of that scenario would work. Actually, someone figured it out. You could put the whole population of the world in Texas and each person would have 15sq feet. I know that isn't much, but if ya build a few skyscrapers, then it becomes adequate. |
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Post by ab6pn on Jan 10, 2010 0:11:03 GMT
Would I have to share my 15 square feet with a Texas longhorn?  |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 10, 2010 0:28:46 GMT
I'm pretty sure your Texas comment was in jest, but I doubt the logistics of that scenario would work. Actually, someone figured it out. You could put the whole population of the world in Texas and each person would have 15sq feet. I know that isn't much, but if ya build a few skyscrapers, then it becomes adequate. Uh huh. My shower stall is bigger than that. Besides the logistics of getting stuff into that kind of ant nest, you must also consider the problem of getting the waste out. I suppose y'all could just set up a giant bucket brigade & shovel all the crap across the Rio Grande.  Full employment - everyone shoveling s#it. ;D |
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Post by ab6pn on Jan 10, 2010 1:27:47 GMT
I am begining to wonder why it's called the History Channel as there has been precious little on it that deals with actual history.
All week I have looked and seen hours and hours devoted to Nostradamus, the Mayan 2012 end of time prediction, search for the Holy Grail, etc, etc. Unfortunately they are trying to increase their ratings through junk history.
So Earth 2100 and the use of AGW junk science is just par for the course.
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Post by scpg02 on Jan 10, 2010 2:18:44 GMT
A lot of the "science" shows bring up AGW.  |
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Post by stranger on Jan 10, 2010 9:36:32 GMT
Easter Island, the Mayan ruins, and the Anasazi ruins stand as haunting monuments of the devastating effect of mass starvation. No more, and certainly no less.
The TIMING of the end of those three civilizations strongly suggest climate related crop failure, and less strongly the perfectly natural human tendency toward excessive fecundity.
Too little food to feed an increasing population is a devastating combination. One that we are likely to see again as the climate again cools - and the idiots in charge insist on converting cropland to tree farms. At the insistence of the Academics in the Administration.
Academic should be an eight letter word for an impossible operation.
Stranger
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 10, 2010 11:36:51 GMT
A lot of the "science" shows bring up AGW. The problem is that nothing else has been taught to unquestioning students for decades. So - the base assumption of all the research in sociology and in media is that CO 2 emissions will lead inevitably to a tipping point into global disaster. Against that background they now run a Hollywood 'Jaws' type plot of the small group trying to convince the large group that there is a disaster waiting to happen - and they won't listen. Hence the calls from politicians of the '10-days-to-save-the-planet' type. This is an appealing scenario and it can be dressed up in the 'green save the planet' coverall - so any questioning of AGW means you are anti-nature. It has been an extremely effective marketing campaign and the advertising industry is fully on board. Even serious scientific research now starts with the presumption that CO 2 caused whatever event or effect being investigated so the research is intended to find the mechanism that CO 2 activated. There are a plethora of papers now that investigate links like this. In fact so convinced are the AGW proponents that I don't believe even a fully fledged ice age would change their views. They would believe that CO 2 'warming' caused the ice age. This may be the first time that global communications has resulted in the entire 'global village' being convinced in this way - like medieval villagers being convinced that an old woman is a witch and to kill her because the harvest failed. |
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 10, 2010 13:10:35 GMT
Well I watched the whole cartoon (literally a lot of cartoon in it ). One of the last commentators was Van Jones, who insisted that the only salvation was a global socialist utopia, where everyone was growing veggies on rooftops, driving electric cars, no wars, full employment, ad nauseum. Oh, and the population automatically contained itself at 7 billion give or take a few. No mention of any of the realities of life on this rock, just the usual kumbaya.
People who believe this hogwash, are in for a rude awakening.
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Post by AstroMet on Jan 10, 2010 13:46:18 GMT
I agree. It IS a travesty that it hasn't continued to warm. There are sooooo many benifits from warmth verses cold. I wish we could get back to the Holocene Optimum temps. I would like to experience those, but for some reason, I don't believe that is going to happen. The answer it really quit simple. Move everyone in the world to Texas, there is room there. Then we can use the rest of the world to produce our food etc with a very rural type setting. And being most people will be in Texas, we can build a cover over Texas to trap the resulting co2 and all will be saved. It will warm in the northern hemisphere this spring and summer, with above average temperatures, according to my forecast for 2010, so we haven't heard the last of global warming, which has been very real, but not man-made. |
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Post by Ratty on Jan 10, 2010 13:57:54 GMT
I'm pretty sure your Texas comment was in jest, but I doubt the logistics of that scenario would work. Actually, someone figured it out. You could put the whole population of the world in Texas and each person would have 15sq feet. I know that isn't much, but if ya build a few skyscrapers, then it becomes adequate. Welcome to sunny Queensland, "beautiful one day, perfect the next". Here you could have (if the 15sq ft calculation is correct) 38 sq feet because we're two and a half times the size of Texas. Please don't tell any Texans. Bonus: We have a town called Texas, which is West of Brisbane (our capital city). This Wiki entry appears to be correct and unadjusted: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas,_Queensland |
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