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Post by nemesis on Jan 11, 2010 13:17:22 GMT
There are many powerful people who (want to) believe our planet can support only 10% of its current population. There have been many "powerful people" throughout history who have attempted to impose their twisted visions, who are now pushing up daisies. And there will be more laid along side of those. Humanity is not so easily subdued as some believe. Reassuring comments and pragmatic as ever, however these environmental movements seem to have global ambitions and use insidious methods to promote their agenda. Wildlands recent newsletter suggests bribing hard-pressed farmers with financial rewards to restrict land use, enshrined in covenents. They also hide behind government backed charitable status etc. Then perhaps Ive spent too much time in 'conspiracy' territory - such as 'Agenda 21' and 'Common Purpose'
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 11, 2010 16:07:55 GMT
If things get colder and food shortages kick in - then I doubt that any politician even the green ones would attempt to stop people growing food. They might find themselves becoming fertilizer. Saying that you were a politician or worked for the government in the last decade could be extremely dangerous in the next few years. Current politicians could be following the career progression of Mussolini. Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012 "Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts. “We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas….we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place….putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree,” said Celente, adding that the situation would be “worse than the great depression”."www.infowars.com/celente-predicts-revolution-food-riots-tax-rebellions-by-2012/" The World Food Crisis in Historical Perspective Philip McMichael
The UN Environment Program said the planet’s water, land, air, plants, animals and fish stocks were all in “inexorable decline.” According to the U.N.’s World Food Program (WFP) fifty-seven countries, including twenty-nine in Africa, nineteen in Asia, and nine in Latin America, have been hit by catastrophic floods. Harvests have been affected by drought and heat waves in south Asia, Europe, China, Sudan, Mozambique and Uruguay" www.monthlyreview.org/090713mcmichael.phpTo sum up - if it stays warm - then things may be OK - if it gets cold we could be in real trouble - unless you are totally self sufficient - and then you'll need to guard what you have from others who aren't self sufficient. Just hope it stays warm.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 11, 2010 19:39:41 GMT
If things get colder and food shortages kick in - then I doubt that any politician even the green ones would attempt to stop people growing food. They might find themselves becoming fertilizer. Saying that you were a politician or worked for the government in the last decade could be extremely dangerous in the next few years. Current politicians could be following the career progression of Mussolini. Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012 "Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts. “We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas….we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place….putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree,” said Celente, adding that the situation would be “worse than the great depression”."www.infowars.com/celente-predicts-revolution-food-riots-tax-rebellions-by-2012/" The World Food Crisis in Historical Perspective Philip McMichael
The UN Environment Program said the planet’s water, land, air, plants, animals and fish stocks were all in “inexorable decline.” According to the U.N.’s World Food Program (WFP) fifty-seven countries, including twenty-nine in Africa, nineteen in Asia, and nine in Latin America, have been hit by catastrophic floods. Harvests have been affected by drought and heat waves in south Asia, Europe, China, Sudan, Mozambique and Uruguay" www.monthlyreview.org/090713mcmichael.phpTo sum up - if it stays warm - then things may be OK - if it gets cold we could be in real trouble - unless you are totally self sufficient - and then you'll need to guard what you have from others who aren't self sufficient. Just hope it stays warm. Some survive, some don't. As true for nations/cultures as it is for individuals. Trying to predict which will and which won't, and the means of either, is a fool's errand.
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 11, 2010 20:10:03 GMT
There have been many "powerful people" throughout history who have attempted to impose their twisted visions, who are now pushing up daisies. And there will be more laid along side of those. Humanity is not so easily subdued as some believe. Reassuring comments and pragmatic as ever, however these environmental movements seem to have global ambitions and use insidious methods to promote their agenda. Wildlands recent newsletter suggests bribing hard-pressed farmers with financial rewards to restrict land use, enshrined in covenents. They also hide behind government backed charitable status etc. Then perhaps Ive spent too much time in 'conspiracy' territory - such as 'Agenda 21' and 'Common Purpose' Such things are always transient and doomed to failure. People have a very basic need to not only survive, but to prosper. Anything that seriously threatens that need is eventually discarded. Short term may be uncomfortable and worrisome, but that simple fact reveals that the reasons for that discomfort and worry will dissipate. Discontent is a very powerful motivation.
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Post by alayna on Jan 12, 2010 3:34:42 GMT
You're quoting Gerald Celente? Really? He's jumped on the doom and gloom wagon, but we can not forget the predictions he made in '97, for the following decade, which he got completely wrong. I would not lose any sleep over what he says.
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 12, 2010 6:06:19 GMT
You're quoting Gerald Celente? Really? He's jumped on the doom and gloom wagon, but we can not forget the predictions he made in '97, for the following decade, which he got completely wrong. I would not lose any sleep over what he says. Then read the UN quote that follows it. He may well be using that as a trigger - but there have already been food riots.
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Post by nemesis on Jan 12, 2010 19:08:38 GMT
'Discontent is a very powerful motivation'. Yes, but I think the Brits have a pretty stoical nature and will put up with an awful lot. I think only with empty bellies will you get people taking to the streets, as nauttonier hints at. Just remembered a quote:- The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” Adolf Hitler
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Post by curiousgeorge on Jan 12, 2010 20:19:53 GMT
'Discontent is a very powerful motivation'. Yes, but I think the Brits have a pretty stoical nature and will put up with an awful lot. I think only with empty bellies will you get people taking to the streets, as nauttonier hints at. Just remembered a quote:- The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” Adolf Hitler Here's an example of that very thing ( Hitler quote ) in Australia: wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/12/australias-retarded-rudd-government-about-to-claim-its-first-carbon-bureaucracy-victim/
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Post by stranger on Jan 13, 2010 2:15:57 GMT
Fertilizer! That is the first socially responsible and ecologically acceptable use for politicians I have heard of.
Stranger
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Post by scpg02 on Jan 13, 2010 2:23:34 GMT
Fertilizer! That is the first socially responsible and ecologically acceptable use for politicians I have heard of. Stranger They would probably poison the soil.
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Post by hairball on Jan 13, 2010 5:35:16 GMT
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Post by bxs on Jan 16, 2010 5:30:28 GMT
If things get colder and food shortages kick in - then I doubt that any politician even the green ones would attempt to stop people growing food. They might find themselves becoming fertilizer. To sum up - if it stays warm - then things may be OK - if it gets cold we could be in real trouble - unless you are totally self sufficient - and then you'll need to guard what you have from others who aren't self sufficient. Just hope it stays warm. Some environmentalists seem concerned the foods will be too successful at feeding the poor. Al Gore has worried, “The most lasting impact of biotechnology on the food supply may come not from something going wrong, but from all going right…we’re far more likely to accidentally drown ourselves in a sea of excess grain.” Given the environmentalist movement’s hatred of population – best exemplified by Obama Science Czar John Holdren’s justification of compulsory abortion in the United States – this may be the real locus of their disdain. from: frontpagemag.com/2009/10/30/bill-gates-vs-the-famine-lobby-ben-johnson/LOL this was an accidental miss-click on my part, and somehow i ended up looking at news agencies info-waring.
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