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Post by karlox on Feb 26, 2014 9:06:16 GMT
Sigur, from one of the comments from a portuguese guy: "yeah... so... portuguese authorities denied this months ago, the credibility of this website is getting lower and lower, not saying that there isnt interesting stuff in here, but more and more i look at it with skepticism" (Alfonso Ruas, also in Facebook)
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Post by karlox on Feb 24, 2014 17:19:49 GMT
Regarding Water Vapor we can learn something taking a look at Mars also: Until now, it was generally assumed that such supersaturation cannot exist in the cold Martian atmosphere: any water vapour in excess of saturation was expected to be converted immediately into ice. However, the SPICAM data have revealed that supersaturation occurs frequently in the middle atmosphere – at altitudes of up to 50 km above the surface – during the aphelion season, the period when Mars is near its farthest point from the Sun. Extremely high levels of supersaturation were found on Mars, up to 10 times greater than those found on Earth. Clearly, there is much more water vapour in the upper Martian atmosphere than anyone ever imagined. It seems that previous models have greatly underestimated the quantities of water vapour at heights of 20–50 km, with as much as 10 to 100 times more water than expected at this altitude. ESA ORBITER DISCOVERS WATER SUPERSATURATION IN THE MARTIAN ATMOSPHERE
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Post by karlox on Feb 24, 2014 17:15:17 GMT
We measure Co2 in the atmosphere, do we measure water in the same way. Is there a way of giving levels similar to Co2 like H2O molecules per parts per million??? This would also give some indication running along side Co2 and CH4 to see what the effects of variations in concentration have. Apart from the humidity being so many % water is never mentioned. Water is such a strange compound with many facets it must be difficult to deal with in the climate sense. I figure it out that: -Comparing water vapor vs CO2: SATURATION is something we don´t have to care about with CO2, while basic for our life regardin water (so relative humidity is an important figure not applicable to CO2? -Freezing point either... and that makes a BIG difference (water is SO special) -atmosphere water content varies largely with latitude and altitude and humid air masses evolve and move: that´s weather. CO2 gas is much more evenly distributed in atmosphere than water (though I don´t know yet the answer to my question "CO2 ppm layers change with altitude?)
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Post by karlox on Feb 24, 2014 11:44:43 GMT
On a seniors' forum where I lurk, this "proof positive" demonstration experiments of the greenhouse effect was posted: CO2: A Natural By-Product of NatureAny scientists out there who can assist me with a rebuttal? Not very scientist but here goes my layman´s questions on this subject: -Are CO2 concentrations in troposphere higher as we proceed from Estratosphere to Earth´s Surface through a denser atmosphere? If so -I suppose- could that configuration be replicated in lab testings?. Besides atmosphere is an open membrane system exchanging energy, nothing like a shut room... - Got the feeling that water vapour is the clue. Once admitted H2O is by large main greenhouse gas, How could we elaborate a theory on CO2 or NH4 likely impact on Temps without fully understanding variations and distribution of H20 and cloud cover throughout the ages? - Are really feedbacks -negative or positive- fully understood? Got the feeling land-ocean-atmosphere´s got multiple crossed mechanisms whose triggering threshold and scope are not fully understood... Real LAB -our planet Earth- is by far a much more complicated "experiment" that simple ones depicted. And nobody denies CO2 a green-house effect, that´s not the point! And most layman´s questions I have: How could finally affect Earh´s Mean Temp any extra Heat entering Polar Areas -ocean or atmospheric warmth? Somehow does not Heat radiates into space more easily around Poles areas? (I would appreciate a comment on this, and hope not to look too stupid!)
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Post by karlox on Feb 23, 2014 7:59:04 GMT
love this one: "Storch: It's a strange idea. What state of the Earth's atmosphere do we want to protect, and in what way? And what might happen as a result? Are we going to declare war on China if the country emits too much CO2 into the air and thereby violates our constitution?"
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Post by karlox on Feb 22, 2014 11:45:06 GMT
That´s the chart I was refering to.
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Post by karlox on Feb 22, 2014 11:42:46 GMT
Please take a look at Ocean Currents Earth Animation North-Atlantic view. As I can´t compare with previous past configurations I am not sure to be right as what looks a somehow disrupted Gulf Stream west of Azores meridian. Prevailing ocean currents from there to Uk and western Europe are cold northerly ones. This is consistent with SST Anomaly chart as published before, I think. Opinions welcome! lin k
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Post by karlox on Feb 21, 2014 9:34:22 GMT
Main Polar Vortex is moving to Siberia, What would that mean for rest of the winter in North America and Europe? link
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Post by karlox on Feb 21, 2014 9:25:51 GMT
Great finding! Also very interesting to check links provided. I´ve read and recommend Workshop Framing Documet: link
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Post by karlox on Feb 21, 2014 9:01:40 GMT
A nice story: Rubén Vázquez, a young Spanish meteorologist working in Vigo airport (Galicia . NW corner of Spain) keeps a web page -by himself- in which he accurately predicted -back in September!!- main coming winter season weather patterns for Spain and western Europe. He ´predicted´ recurrent situations of explosive cyclogenesis developping in North Atlantic waters and polar-ocean jet flow would bring a quite windy and rainy winter. As he explained cyclon Hortensia (1984) blew off his family home roof and a beam was flown away and went through the roof of the family´s run restaurant next to his home. He was a shocked kid so impressed on how one´s life can be so unexpectedly hit that from then on he would dedicate his spare time and more to meteo learning. He would record in VHS video old TV weather-man reports daily to analyse evolution througout years!!!... So he watched and watched and watched...and learned a bit more every year... Now, I am sure Rubén is just one among many thousands of Met-freaks-lovers which sound knowledge and experience and personal "memory" of past weather patterns makes their predictions far more accurate than the ´official´s MET Office Services... I can´t see any MET Office daring to predict in September what weather has brought to US and UK, for instance... www.facebook.com/pages/Meteovigo/277098822347725
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Post by karlox on Feb 19, 2014 17:36:24 GMT
I´ve asked EARTH (WIND-Temp-Heights-Atmosphere and Ocean tool) through their Facebook Page ( www.facebook.com/EarthWindMap ) whether there will be in the future a feature as to run loops of past configurations and got an answer they´re working on it. That would be so helpful to watch through all layers winter´s evolution and prevailing patterns for the whole season... --- "Thanks! I'm working to add month-by-month averages of the data, but it will take a little bit of time to create that feature."
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Post by karlox on Feb 19, 2014 11:12:42 GMT
Please take a look at Earth´s NH Surface Temps and winds and spend some time clicking here and there... you´ll find out some interesting facts like that temps at North Pole is around -11C while around Magnetic North is -not that far- is below -30ºC. Also see how warm Europe is and how colder air is shifting northwards North America... Beiring Strait getting very cold now and most COLD and wider cold areas in Siberia and below (Asia). So such a different winter scenarios for different continents and areas couldn´t be logically expressed through an artifact such as a NH Winter Mean Temp or alike... SFC Temp Topography
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Post by karlox on Feb 11, 2014 8:09:01 GMT
Disgusting
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Post by karlox on Feb 11, 2014 7:39:18 GMT
Karlox: What you are observing in the Pacific in regards to blocking highs is almost a mirror image of what was going in in 1917-1920. Sigur, I suppose weather charts -if any- by that time had nothing to do with our current set of data. So what we really have is probably recording and observations of major weather events? Can you address me to where I can get info on 1917-1920 weather explained in "modern" met language? Thanks!
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Post by karlox on Feb 10, 2014 17:58:21 GMT
With the studies showing the past 20 years of nino's putting more energy back into the atmosphere ( hence the stunted 2010 one topping global temp charts) i have to look at the strengthened Trades for a reason. If they are effectively pinning the water up in the west Pacific then any interruption,from other teleconnected events, could effectively let the dam loose and allow a rapif nino to form? With a sudden pattern shift signaled by the forecast SSW I wonder if March is about to see a Nino form? But most remarkable regarding Sea Surface temp Anomaly and the Pacific is the stubborn hot spot in North Pacific. Which is been coincident with a Blocking High extending through Bering to inner Polar Circle and "pushing" Polar Vortex towards our latitutes... Regarding current SST you refered can be easily seen here below. Graywolf, please, what changes could we expect in Europe´s coming weather from that event? . It´s being record wettest winter in most parts of Iberian Peninsula but rather cool thugh, not real cold, and very windy- Could SSW such as this trigger a change?to colder? A really nice winter for weather freaks! 50mb Temp Animation Jan 9- Feb 7
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