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Post by karlox on Mar 2, 2014 17:05:03 GMT
It is unclear where this water 'magically' comes from, unless the unspoken way is that it requires a source of water and they can use sea water that has been desalinated. The desalination uses some power but the by product is fresh water. This also means that the array must be close to water that needs desalinaton - normally the ocean. So putting it in the middle of the Sahara, or at Alice Springs will not produce water out of thin air. I´ve somehow undestood it needs water that can be desalinated (or not?) by the plant itself and yet produce extra energy supply. So desertic land nearby oceans can get fresh water... once installations cost are affordable that would be a revolution, though it looks very experimental yet but who knos, since this age next ten years are always definitive...
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Post by karlox on Mar 2, 2014 16:55:07 GMT
It is not Obama but we All in both Europe and US which might be heavily affected in many ways if this crisis keeps scaling. Not that I like Putin´s regime at all but we should know that Gorbachev´s and Russian´s let-it-go policy regarding unified Germany and the fallen of the Wall was pacted. Russia was assured that after Germany's union no further country to the east would join NATO. That was fraglantly ignored by Poland and others. Now Ukraine and Bielorrusia (keep an eye on this one as well!) were the last frontier of Russia´s declining empire. And there is no way Russia is going to ever let Crimea go with its navy bases, plus millions of russian-speaking citizens in the eastern part. As US or any other world power has done in the past, defense of russian people and basic estrategic interest would help to justify intervention. Now, what could western world possibly do? EU, former Ukraine´s president and Russia has just reached an agreement that was flagrantry violated by the people on the street. Now sort of an ´open assembly´ of people is ruling in fact the country, which is quite alarming considering neo-fascist armed groups are leading this last part of the revolt with unexpected success... So I don´t think this is the kind of europeans I would like to have in our European Union either... Best deal could perhaps be an splitted country and western compliance with West Ukraine not joining NATO... Would that be assumable for Putin as well? Large Economic effects of a major conflict-in the area, moving back to a cold war economy... tha´s something our global economy won´t digest easily... This conflict could be a milestone of XXI century History books. Very alarming...
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Post by karlox on Mar 2, 2014 10:28:36 GMT
Highlight this!: "After 35 years, it's time to accept that adaptation is the way ahead. The problems of climate change, whatever its causes, are the same old human problems of poverty, disease and natural hazards like floods, storms and droughts. The best hope on offer is the continued accumulation of human wealth and knowledge"
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Post by karlox on Mar 2, 2014 10:15:28 GMT
Most similar to what has happened in Spain with solar farms which growth exploded under State covered guaranteed benefits for 30 years. Most of this solar-farm were real farmers joining in cooperatives for solar farms and were convinced by the government it would be of great benefit for their future retirement to invest in such industry; they were built when solar panels were much more expensive than today so they had to put their homes and properties as final guarantee to get loans from the Banks. Now the game is over, Spain is bankrupt -though not officially- and government changed the rules without warning. From small owners to big investors judiciary claims against spanish government has yet to be settled... many people are about to loose everything due to this erratic policies... Meantime Spain currently has TOO MUCH capacity to produce power from: -wind farms -hydro -nuclear -solar farms. -brand new gas burning power plants (got them working half capacity which rises cost of production). These are used to ´compensate´wind farms and solar uncertain output... But a politically grounded lousy connection to French Grid (mainly nuclear based) makes it possible that all this energy is being actually wasted while we have highest EU power prices, after Malta... Over two million families have either power cuts due to unpaid bills or are suffering from "energy poverty" obliguing them to cut down the use of heaters and other restrictions... (and gas, water, medicines, food...) Main driver of any socially admittable energy policy should be producing cheaper energy to the people and industries, while encouraging reasonable volunteer energy saving measures. That´s the most disgusting and criminal consequence of CO2 Scare Tale
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Post by karlox on Mar 2, 2014 9:45:27 GMT
That´s great news if they would let it freely grow! The way it is depicted it could be used to alter for good large parts of desertic areas... Could we imagine what a green Sahara -at least western part- would mean and imply?: - It could perhaps feed entire Africa and more to export... - Probably would also bring wetter weather to northern Africa... - Less hunger and prosperity less conflicts and terrorism and massive migrations like the endless waves of boats and assaults to border fences we are suffering nowadays in Europe, especially in Spain and Italy... But notice in text: "At the end of the day, it seems that big oil corporations will do whatever they can to prevent change from happening, but the power of the people is greater. All we have to do is come together, create, and cooperate" Agreed!
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Post by karlox on Mar 1, 2014 8:57:32 GMT
Doug: When surface temperatures are higher, the amount of radiation leaving is also higher. There is normally only so much cold on the planet, which is spread over small areas near the poles. This winter, and now as of late more pronounced, has a wide area of cold, even tho the Arctic has cooled as well. Antarctica is also colder than average, so now as a whole we are talking a shift in surface area that is colder than average. I am not talking the 30 year mean, I am talking the present mean value. The cold area radiates less heat to the atmosphere, so has less pressure to cool as it is already cold. Kinda like the curve of a boiling pot of water. The temperature of the water will fall faster at 210F than it does at 100F if the air temp remains constant at 90F. I wouldn't really be too concerned if the cool was only in the NH area. But this cool is wider in Antarctica than in recent times, so the net effect is a larger area of the planet is cold, present values. The sun is radiating a constant supply of Wm2. The earth must feel it is getting to cold, so it is responding by radiating less. Make sense? Sig, I have to disagree with you. While the Northeast is enjoying Polar Vortex N, the Arctic has been much warmer then normal. The big pool of warm water in the North Pacific caused a blocking high over the Western U.S. in Feb and sent all your heat up to the pole to be radiated away. All you got was the bill. :-) Right. The resident Blocking High in upper layers has been wandering around Beiring Strait Area and stuck within Polar Circle conditioning NH winter and pushing additional heat into the Pole... Again I wonder relation of such High with North Pacific warm pool and with accumulative heat (increased trade winds) in western Pacific down to deep ocean due to prevailing La Niña-La Nada conditions past years(there is perhaps where the missing heat is. talking about PACIFIC?) this Pacific configuration is been building up or preserving the warmth pool in North Pacific during past months?. I am getting increasingly convinced that any major climatic or weather trend is related to the Pacific Ocean cycles and events...
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Post by karlox on Mar 1, 2014 8:28:46 GMT
I recall back in 73-74 St. Gabriel mountains snow capped view with palm trees here and there...one of those rare clear winter days in LA area... Also warnings issued every-other-day due to pollutants and tropospheric ozone, which supposed shorter cross-country trainings -which I would gladly accept... good memories of a good time in a good land with a lot of good people... Hope the drought is over!
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Post by karlox on Feb 28, 2014 10:30:03 GMT
And here you can see EL NIÑO 3, 2 and 1 (besides 3.4) is also in a cold mood LA NIÑA. North Pacific warm pool persist coincident with residet Blocking High conditioning North America´s winter so far...
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Post by karlox on Feb 28, 2014 10:18:12 GMT
Karlox: Shushhhhhh. I am trying to be pro El Nino here. I don't want to think about La Nina's......damn man...it is already cold enough in the Eastern 2/3 of the USA. Altho....if we have a La Nina.....Europe will cool off as well so sharing the cold may not be all bad? .... Sigur, wishful thinking -provided we cannot do much to solve a bad situation- is part of our best set of conservation instinc practices... . But what we do know: -Cold PDO started ´round 2000 -Trade winds increase same. -Same with Sun´s activity -An Global Temps hiatus Experts say El Niño is coming sometime and that´s most probably right... but talking of next 3-4 years... wishful thinking! Meantime, right now:
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Post by karlox on Feb 28, 2014 9:52:36 GMT
Sigur, thanks for your help... That brings more questions to me... -Less stratospheric water vapor might mean lower-troposphere water-vapor increase and viceversa? (less convention etc) -Less stratospheric water vapor after 2000 wouldn´t be opposite to what expected due to increase of Cosmic Rays as Sun enters a quieter mood? - Does stratospheric (and rare) water vapour ever escape to outer space? - Cloud Albedo rises due to more cloud formation according to Svenkmark´s theories. Or that cloud formation refers to LOW CLOUDS only? Have a doubt here: Cloud cover increases albedo though higher ´clouds´ bear higher reflection figures? What about low fog clouds? Thanks for your patience!
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Post by karlox on Feb 27, 2014 18:41:39 GMT
From day 1 catastrophic anthropogenic global warming was built entirely on top of a period of transition to El Nino dominance. Obviously the dominance must continue. Hope for an early return to El Nino dominance rather than a normal return will spring eternal. Gray Wolf will embrace the obvious El Nino conditions that exist, that periodically exist no matter what dominates. The ENSO models are also recognizing these conditions. We are in fact entering our second year of these conditions. The only thing still missing is a source of heat to warm the globe. Super El Nino events occur almost like clockwork. The solar cycle controls this pattern of super El Ninos which emerge with regularity as the sun awakens from its minimum. Super El Ninos also occur at other times as the ENSO oscillation has a period of roughly half a solar cycle. Whether we get a strong El Nino or not I think is uncertain. But even if we do, the dominance of the solar cycle over longer term temperature trends from year to year seems more influential than El Nino. A typical super El Nino just doesn't have the oomph to put the observation record anywhere near the model forecasts. What that would require would not be just an ordinary super El Nino. Instead it would require a super duper extra strong platinum plated record shattering El Nino. Maybe the CAGW climate scientists will beckon the missing heat to rise out of the ocean like Lazarus in concert with an El Nino and soon Sigurdur will be growing cotton in North Dakota. Hope springs eternal! Coincidence or not it seems we are having a double max peak in SC24, point is how fast and low deep solar activity might get from here in coming years. El Niño more frequent patterns has been found in close relations with XX century solar maximums.- Now sun has entered a much quieter mode and La Niña have become more frequent while less EL Niño have occurred. Since we are somehow due to EL NIÑO and sun´s getting more active these months we might well have a moderate El Niño coming but what matters is how long it will last and possible La Niña´s strenght and duration, for that will surely follows...
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Post by karlox on Feb 27, 2014 18:30:02 GMT
Karlox: You are a human being so your conclusion is important. Skeptical Science is a propaganda site. One sided and very dubious scientific merit. If you get down to the nuts and bolts in regards to papers, they will ban you as they only want agreement. But it is always good to read how convoluted some thinking can actually get. Yes indeed it is a one-side view propaganda place I wouldn´t even dare to ask or comment for my non-knowledge is clear. But I did figure it out or understood somehow how CO2 Green House effects works according to them (I´ve tried to explain it in my own words in previous post) What do you think about it? So C02 effect does exists BUT I am very ´confident´ that quite different not-well-known mechanisms react and are triggered (at different time escales) to ´compensate´this either cooling or warming trend besides certain point. As I understand most atmospheric humidity and HEAT content -besides ocean´s heat content- is placed between tropics and thus extra CO2 there raises last CO2 exchange layer with outher espace, radiating less, I assume that extra heat might cause positive anomalies round Norh Pole -like our stubborn North Pacific Blocking but once there under thin winter Poles atmospere Heat´s got an open window to radiate to espace, so this Artic warming might in fact mean Eart´s cooling, as can be seen in Antartica? Should More frequent SSWs be showing that burst of heat radiation into espace is compensating previous year´s warming? Got too many questions and little knowledge... mind my ´wanderings´...
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Post by karlox on Feb 27, 2014 11:35:16 GMT
Very important to ALL of us what is happening in Ukraine... Russia won´t let any restriction to its navy access to Black Sea and Crimea -areas that were traditionally russians- neither will allow Ukraine becoming member of NATO... So given locals majoritary russian feelings in Crimea that looks like a new splitted country at the best... if not a major confrontation ahead. Energetic growing dependence of EU countries to Russian gas is bad news in this scenario. I hope a peaceful settlement takes place before this escalates... link
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Post by karlox on Feb 27, 2014 10:06:24 GMT
I anticipate a weak La Niña (-0.5) before EL Niño strikes this year, and when it finally comes it wouldn´t be as strong neither long lasting as anticipated or expected (cold PDO). This is just a bet!
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Post by karlox on Feb 27, 2014 9:56:52 GMT
Doug: When surface temperatures are higher, the amount of radiation leaving is also higher. There is normally only so much cold on the planet, which is spread over small areas near the poles. This winter, and now as of late more pronounced, has a wide area of cold, even tho the Arctic has cooled as well. Antarctica is also colder than average, so now as a whole we are talking a shift in surface area that is colder than average. I am not talking the 30 year mean, I am talking the present mean value. The cold area radiates less heat to the atmosphere, so has less pressure to cool as it is already cold. Kinda like the curve of a boiling pot of water. The temperature of the water will fall faster at 210F than it does at 100F if the air temp remains constant at 90F. I wouldn't really be too concerned if the cool was only in the NH area. But this cool is wider in Antarctica than in recent times, so the net effect is a larger area of the planet is cold, present values. The sun is radiating a constant supply of Wm2. The earth must feel it is getting to cold, so it is responding by radiating less. Make sense? Sigur, I consider you have by far much more sound knowledge and scientific reading skills than me. And best of all you also believe there´s much more science that has not been settled regarding climate than what is claimed to be known. I also believe this forum misses participation of qualified non-skeptical partners -so I read Skeptical Science to compensate- and that means quite a mess of claims and counter-claims for a layman like me... but MUST read and follow both parties to draw my own -unimportant- conclusions... Well, this part also refers to other recent post by you in other threads (regarding skepticism) Said that, when you talk about "colder" than normal surface means less radiation back into space that is so in the upper atmosphere and this is how CO2 green-house effect is being explained by AGW. Roughly: As we ascend from ground up to stratosphere and as O2 and air gets thinner, relative concentrations of CO2 vs O2 sharply increase, there is a layer in which none escaping radiation is radiated back to earth; and it is very very cold up there. So C02 increase (mainly in tropopause) elevates this boundary layer to a COLDER level meaning LESS energy leaving the planet. So -my conclusion and best understanding- it is upper layers heating-cooling and displacements the "breathing" of the planet alternatively cooling-warming our atmosphere... And I also got ´the feeling´ Poles are sort of our open windows to equilibrate temps, since atmosphere is thinner there and any extra heat added entering poles areas either by changing ocean currents or Blocking High patterns -like this winter´s- will much more easily irradiate into space, specially in winter time in NH Perhaps Sudden Stratospheric Warming depicts what I mean? link
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