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Post by bd on Dec 29, 2008 10:41:35 GMT
Sorry about the link. It works if copied and pasted.
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Post by pidgey on Dec 29, 2008 13:45:45 GMT
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Post by kiwistonewall on Dec 31, 2008 11:55:58 GMT
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Post by kiwistonewall on Dec 31, 2008 23:20:34 GMT
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Post by tobyglyn on Jan 4, 2009 2:17:36 GMT
Here's a nice close prediction: "Hot Southern Summer Threatens Coral With Massive Bleaching Event enlarge A widespread and severe coral bleaching episode is predicted to cause immense damage to some of the world's most important marine environments over the next few months. ScienceDaily (Jan. 3, 2009) — A widespread and severe coral bleaching episode is predicted to cause immense damage to some of the world’s most important marine environments over the next few months. A report from the US Government’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) predicts severe bleaching for parts of the Coral Sea, which lies adjacent to Australia’s Great Barrier Reef, and the Coral Triangle, a 5.4 million square kilometre expanse of ocean in the Indo-Pacific which is considered the centre of the world’s marine life. “This forecast bleaching episode will be caused by increased water temperatures and is the kind of event we can expect on a regular basis if average global temperatures rise above 2 degrees,” said Richard Leck, Climate Change Strategy Leader for WWF’s Coral Triangle Program. The bleaching, predicted to occur between now and February, could have a devastating impact on coral reef ecosystems, killing coral and destroying food chains. There would be severe impacts for communities in Australia and the region, who depend on the oceans for their livelihoods." The full article is here: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081228201342.htm
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Post by kiwistonewall on Jan 4, 2009 4:13:00 GMT
Coral bleaching as record cold hits reefwww.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22186299-30417,00.html Looks like the coral is DOOMED - hot or cold! ;D So when the coral gets bleached, both sides of the debate can claim credit! Though the extremes will only be reached in shallow waters, and the sea level is rising (isn't it?) which will SAVE the coral?? Fortunately, the reefs recover much quicker than previously thought. www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24863933-30417,00.html and www.uq.edu.au/news/?article=3665University of Queensland researchers are reporting that sections of the Great Barrier Reef severely bleached last summer are showing surprising signs of recovery. that was from 2002- but they seem to forget, and keep getting surprised. Or is all this just for public consumption to keep the research grants flowing? I just knew it! ;D $150,000 fellowship for coral bleaching media.jcu.edu.au/story.cfm?id=822 (2007)
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Post by tobyglyn on Jan 4, 2009 4:33:04 GMT
^ Pretty sad isn't it We also have this: “Corals will become increasingly rare on reef systems.” Dr. Hans Hoegh-Guldberg, head of Queensland University (Australia) marine studies. In 2006, Dr. Hoegh-Guldberg warned that high temperatures might kill 30–40 percent of the coral on the Great Barrier Reef “within a month.” In 2007, he said global warming temperatures were bleaching [potentially killing] the reef. But, in 2008, the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network said climate change had not damaged the “well-managed” reef in the four years since its last report. Veteran diver Ben Cropp said that in 50 years he’d seen no heat damage to the reef at all. “The only change I’ve seen has been the result of over-fishing, pollution, too many tourists or people dropping anchors on the reef,” he said. " co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=2390
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Post by kiwistonewall on Jan 4, 2009 4:37:27 GMT
Just in (Jan 1 2009) governments need more honest environmental accountingwww.uq.edu.au/news/index.html?article=17144“Reporting both gains and losses is a basic requirement of ‘honest' conservation accounting. The current global standard of reporting gains but not losses is unjustified and potentially misleading.”
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Post by kiwistonewall on Jan 4, 2009 8:12:41 GMT
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Post by twawki on Jan 11, 2009 4:57:44 GMT
Quote; "My current concern with the emissions trading scheme is that a religious fervour has built up around the altar of global warming. Those who serve at the altar have become ruthless in their denigration of alternate views. This fervour has now received its imprimatur by reason of a new tax, or should it be tithe to be paid to the Rudd Labor Government." www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/aussie_senator_denounces_globa.html
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Post by tobyglyn on Jan 18, 2009 1:19:18 GMT
Here's what seems to me to be a curious article from the SMH. "THE pace of change is heating up in Australia's barometer of polar global warming. The latest bulletin from Heard Island in the Southern Ocean says temperatures are up, rapid retreat of glaciers continues unabated, and a peninsula has been split by the sea to create a new island. Every few years Australian scientists have a chance to measure wholesale changes to volcanic Heard, which lies 2200 nautical miles south-west of Perth. In the most recent visit on board Aurora Australis last month they confirmed that automatic weather stations on Heard recorded a 1.3-degree temperature rise. One of the island's big glaciers, Brown, retreated 1.2 kilometres between 1947 and 2004, and there is reason to believe that today the pace is just as fast." How is Heard Island, an active volcano located 1,500 km north of Antarctica "Australia's barometer of polar global warming"? I would have thought measurements taken closer to the pole and away from obvious local heat sources like active volcanoes would be more suitable. I just can't see how a 1.3-degree rise in temps recorded on an active volcano has much to do with AGW and the bit about how "one" of the islands glaciers is retreating also seems disingenuous. The original article is here: www.smh.com.au/news/environment/global-warming/seeing-heard-is-believing-in-global-warming/2009/01/16/1231608986648.htmlAnd here is a more balanced bit on Heard Island including specific mention of glaciers: "About 80% of Heard Island is glaciated, with ice up to 150 m deep and glaciers extending from 2,745 m to sea level. Ice cliffs form a high percentage of the coastline. The glaciers appear to be fast-flowing as a result of the steep slope and high precipitation, and are likely to be particularly sensitive to climatic fluctuations. Measurements between 1947 and 1980 suggest that glacial retreat has been marked on Heard Island, particularly on the eastern flanks. This has been associated by Allison and Keage (1986) with changes in weather patterns." www.eoearth.org/article/Heard_Island_and_McDonald_Islands,_Australia
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Post by Acolyte on Jan 18, 2009 2:05:39 GMT
With the increase in seismic activity, you'd need to rule out whether Heard is about to blow.
and you gotta love that, this is a recent expedition, they have data from 1947 - 2004, yet the best & most precise somment they can make is 'One of the island's big glaciers, Brown, retreated 1.2 kilometres between 1947 and 2004, and there is reason to believe that today the pace is just as fast."
I am just wondering - what did Aurora Australis do there - patently it wasn't science or they'd be able to say for sure if the galciers were retreating still & should be able to say at what pace.
If there were actually any real scientists on board we'd have something definite in the way of data to work with. I'd guess this was a 'Climate science junket' such as the one Nils-Axel Morner reported on who destroyed a tree because it showed the sea levels hadn't risen.
If there were just prejudgmental climate 'scientists' aboard, I would say the lack of an unequivocal statement, in & of itself is proof the glaciers there have either ceased retreating or have started advancing again. They couldn't report that but they wouldn't want to take the chance of being caught in an outright lie either.
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Post by Acolyte on Jan 18, 2009 3:19:19 GMT
Anyone know how to check when a GoogleEarth scan was added? My impression is they add new scans as they become available from sattelite with the proviso of sensitive areas being withheld.
Heard Island has no apparent islands around it - even McDonald is joined to it by snow/ice. So I'm not sure to what 'and a peninsula has been split by the sea to create a new island' refers.
There's what might be a glacier that doesn't reach sea on the east side, but it isn't named even though others are. So Brown has to be something like number 5 or 6 on the scale of 'big' you'd think - unless they have other reasons for labelling smaller glaciers?
Maybe they figure Heard is so far off & so unimportant nobody would check?
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Post by tobyglyn on Jan 18, 2009 3:52:59 GMT
Anyone know how to check when a GoogleEarth scan was added? My impression is they add new scans as they become available from sattelite with the proviso of sensitive areas being withheld. Heard Island has no apparent islands around it - even McDonald is joined to it by snow/ice. So I'm not sure to what 'and a peninsula has been split by the sea to create a new island' refers. There's what might be a glacier that doesn't reach sea on the east side, but it isn't named even though others are. So Brown has to be something like number 5 or 6 on the scale of 'big' you'd think - unless they have other reasons for labelling smaller glaciers? Maybe they figure Heard is so far off & so unimportant nobody would check? I think you are mistaking Anzac Peak (another volcano) on Laurens Peninsula - part of Heard Island, for the McDonald Islands. The MacDonalds are 44 kilometres West of Heard.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Jan 18, 2009 3:53:32 GMT
Ice Blocks intact pipes (Lake Eire) January 17, 2009 18:50PM Quotes: Ice this morning clogged two pipes that carry Lake Erie water into an Avon Lake plant that cleans it and sends it on to communities in Lorain County and reaching as far south as Medina. Kniepper said the situation was a complete surprise. Ice clogged a pipe at the plant about 20 or 25 years ago, but the city installed a larger pipe to carry the water and buried it deeper believing that would prevent more problems, he said blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/01/ice_clogging_avon_water_plant.htmlSo presumably, the ice/cold is much worse than 25 years ago?
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