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Post by karlox on Oct 17, 2013 8:34:06 GMT
The two polar regions have been identified as key regions for monitoring global climate change, because the surface air temperature is expected to increase especially rapid in these two regions along with the ongoing increase of atmospheric CO2. So it's interesting to see that since approximately 2011, the Arctic MSU RSS temperature trend is for cooling - is this solar related and is it significant? Global monthly average lower troposphere temperature since 1979 for the northern polar Pole (60-82.5N) and southern polar (60-70S) regions, according to Remote Sensing Systems (RSS). These graphs uses data obtained by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) TIROS-N satellite. Data link: www.remss.com/data/msu/monthly_time_series/RSS_Monthly_MSU_AMSU_Channel_TLT_Anomalies_Land_and_Ocean_v03_3.txtWhat I see from the charts: 1- Continental Antartica shows nil warming trend at all. Neither any dramatic ice-volume losses to my Knowledge 2- Artic shows by far more amplitude-variations with clear warming trend from the 90´s and a new just-started cooling trend now. Which models -if any- forecasted this cryosphere status and trends well on time? One question-doubt I have -to whoever knows- is whether global-cloud-albedo at a given time has a figure or monitoring? I mean whether daily or hourly variations on global cloud covers and cloud albedo is being measured or followed and how could they do it? What could Satellite era data on cloud-cover/albedo teach us?
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Post by cuttydyer on Oct 17, 2013 9:26:20 GMT
]What I see from the charts: 1- Continental Antartica shows nil warming trend at all. Neither any dramatic ice-volume losses to my Knowledge 2- Artic shows by far more amplitude-variations with clear warming trend from the 90´s and a new just-started cooling trend now. Which models -if any- forecasted this cryosphere status and trends well on time? One question-doubt I have -to whoever knows- is whether global-cloud-albedo at a given time has a figure or monitoring? I mean whether daily or hourly variations on global cloud covers and cloud albedo is being measured or followed and how could they do it? What could Satellite era data on cloud-cover/albedo teach us? Karlox, There's cloud data available on the "climate4you" web site; I note that the link to the "International Satellite Cloud Climatology Project" is broken - federal government funding related? Link: www.climate4you.com/ClimateAndClouds.htm
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Post by cuttydyer on Oct 17, 2013 9:57:06 GMT
It's been very quiet at Neven's blog, this is the first entry since the 16th of September: It would seem that when it comes to alarmist Arctic blogs: no news = good news (strong recovery in progress)...
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Post by karlox on Oct 17, 2013 10:45:01 GMT
It's been very quiet at Neven's blog, this is the first entry since the 16th of September: It would seem that when it comes to alarmist Arctic blogs: no news = good news (strong recovery in progress)... Could you provide the link? Thanks in advance and thanks also for prior info which is perfect to me for further knowledge!
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Post by cuttydyer on Oct 17, 2013 10:50:18 GMT
Could you provide the link? Thanks in advance and thanks also for prior info which is perfect to me for further knowledge! Arctic Sea Ice Blog link: neven1.typepad.com/blog/
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Post by cuttydyer on Oct 17, 2013 11:45:52 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 17, 2013 16:07:51 GMT
www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/global-sea-ice-levels-are-above-long-term-average-as-the-antarctic-posts-another-record.htmlIt is a fact that the satellite record is equally short for the data on the total coverage of Arctic sea ice. However, there is are observations of Arctic sea ice extent that go back to the 1950s based on aircraft and ship observations. Furthermore, the decline in Arctic sea ice is consistent with what computer models predict. In its recent scientific report the IPCC states that “human influence on the sea ice extent changes can be robustly detected since the early 1990s” adding that human influence is “very likely to have contributed to Arctic sea ice loss since 1979”. "However, it is possible that natural variability may also be playing a role in the Arctic, according to new research by Thomas Opel, Hanno Meyer and Diedrich Fritzsche from the Alfred Wegener Institute of the University of Bremen published last month in the open access journal Climate Of The Past. They state that evidence from ice core oxygen isotope analysis suggests that significant climate change in the Arctic over the last 1,000 years has been due to internal variability. This may have implications for the suggested causal link between human-driven global warming and recent changes in the Arctic, indicating that a far more complex set of relationships are at work; and that significant regional climate change is a feature of the Arctic."
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Post by zaphod on Nov 17, 2013 21:41:34 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 17, 2013 23:55:15 GMT
So DMI has been lying to us all along.......those scoundrels!
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Post by nautonnier on Nov 18, 2013 1:08:35 GMT
It is make your mind up time!! Is the heat hidden in the deep ocean - they claim proof for that from some metrics which show all the heat cowering there in the dark; or is the 'heat' hiding in the Arctic which posted its coldest summer and shortest time above zero in 2013. I suppose it depends on which gullible journalist the climate 'scientists' are talking to.
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Post by icefisher on Nov 18, 2013 1:11:15 GMT
So DMI has been lying to us all along.......those scoundrels! Bottom of the ocean, top of the arctic. . . .any place they can find where data is lacking to try to trump the data that is collected. Perfectly, normal response from somebody who is wrong. For years they have been bodging the data to minimize the 1st half of the 20th century warming. Now we have Stefan Rahmstorf gushing over this science after his Foster and Rahmstorf science debacle. What appears to me to be happening is a decadal "step" cooling is forming below post the 2010 El Nino. It looks to be shaping up approximately -.05degC cooling from the previous decade a pace in time with the overall century long warming. I suspect in the next decade a slightly larger step down due to surface oceans catching up. How much? Well can it get to the .2degC steps we saw during the warming? Impossible to say. The steps are largely in time with the solar cycle so the last step ran more than 12 years and the current step? Well we are almost 6 years into it.
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Post by sigurdur on Nov 18, 2013 1:34:10 GMT
What hopefully is happening is that folks are becoming less gullible. The tortured tripe just gets older and older as it deviates more and more from the actual science being performed.
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Post by douglavers on Nov 18, 2013 11:11:11 GMT
"We seek heat here, we seek heat there, Those Greenies seek heat everywhere. Is heat in heaven?—Is heat in hell? That demmed, elusive Warming Bell."
With apologies to Baroness Orczy.
Dashed crafty that Heat - he even eluded the satellite temperature monitors!!
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Post by zaphod on Nov 18, 2013 17:17:37 GMT
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Post by Andrew on Nov 19, 2013 3:00:59 GMT
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