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Post by acidohm on May 5, 2016 20:37:00 GMT
The sea of Othotsk (I had to look that one up!) and east is also looking pretty chilly, perhaps more so then N Atlantic?? Where did you get your data? Sorry to say nothing more then null school and guestimating using my eyes  |
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Post by missouriboy on May 6, 2016 0:04:59 GMT
Where did you get your data? Sorry to say nothing more then null school and guestimating using my eyes I'll check out Argo. They may have to change its name from Okhotsk to Okkaltst.  |
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Post by missouriboy on May 7, 2016 6:14:32 GMT
Sorry to say nothing more then null school and guestimating using my eyes I'll check out Argo. They may have to change its name from Okhotsk to Okkaltst. NO Argo back in that cove of the ocean, But could it be the same general problem as the N Atlantic? Forty North ... current heading due (or almost) east ... nothing going north? Somethuns happenin at the top of the world? |
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Post by acidohm on May 7, 2016 9:48:17 GMT
I'll check out Argo. They may have to change its name from Okhotsk to Okkaltst. NO Argo back in that cove of the ocean, But could it be the same general problem as the N Atlantic? Forty North ... current heading due (or almost) east ... nothing going north? Somethuns happenin at the top of the world? The similarities between the 2 northern oceans have been noted here before, could they really be cousins of a sort with similar influences?? |
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Post by sigurdur on May 15, 2016 3:22:11 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on May 15, 2016 5:52:22 GMT
So in a couple of years ....  ? |
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Post by acidohm on May 15, 2016 6:13:32 GMT
Hopefully they'll publish their data more on time then recent Argo and 'RAPID' efforts!! Should be very revealing data, I'm very interested in the Lab current/gulf stream interaction area and rapid is very much a tropical location rather then this more northerly array, much nearer the turnover component of AMOC. |
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Post by acidohm on May 15, 2016 6:26:47 GMT
www.bodc.ac.uk/rapidmoc/overview/Speaking of Data, Missouriboy, they clearly have processed the rapid array data as they announced winners of a competition to predict the results back in Jan. .. www.rapid.ac.uk/challenge/Apparently not much change in 18 months? The top link contains other links to data sets (is the glider data interesting??) but I'm not sure where the new rapid data resides?? Next set of results....spring 2017....
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Post by missouriboy on May 15, 2016 14:25:14 GMT
www.bodc.ac.uk/rapidmoc/overview/Speaking of Data, Missouriboy, they clearly have processed the rapid array data as they announced winners of a competition to predict the results back in Jan. .. www.rapid.ac.uk/challenge/Apparently not much change in 18 months? The top link contains other links to data sets (is the glider data interesting??) but I'm not sure where the new rapid data resides?? Next set of results....spring 2017.... I doubt that they are in any hurry. They probably want to get their own analyses and papers done first. That could drag on for some time. Standard academic - bureaucratic parochialism in action. They believe they've paid their dues and it's theirs until they say otherwise. Plus, the bean-counters will double and triple-check the numbers. |
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Post by nautonnier on May 15, 2016 14:30:07 GMT
www.bodc.ac.uk/rapidmoc/overview/Speaking of Data, Missouriboy, they clearly have processed the rapid array data as they announced winners of a competition to predict the results back in Jan. .. www.rapid.ac.uk/challenge/Apparently not much change in 18 months? The top link contains other links to data sets (is the glider data interesting??) but I'm not sure where the new rapid data resides?? Next set of results....spring 2017.... I doubt that they are in any hurry. They probably want to get their own analyses and papers done first. That could drag on for some time. Standard academic - bureaucratic parochialism in action. They believe they've paid their dues and it's theirs until they say otherwise. Plus, the bean-counters will double and triple-check the numbers. They will also be doing a lot of checks to ensure that the wording and published results are what their funders want and don't hazard future funding. |
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Post by acidohm on May 17, 2016 21:17:53 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on May 17, 2016 23:21:59 GMT
Acid. Good find. We need a smoking gun for the change that seems to have occurred in the 2009-10 time frame ... and the failure of subsequent years to return to the heat-transport conditions that existed prior. Something that can account for the extremes in variance that we see in the data.  |
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Post by acidohm on May 18, 2016 17:31:57 GMT
www.whoi.edu/science/PO/people/fstraneo/hudson/hudson.htmlLooking at how outflow from Hudson bay may affect Labrador current in relation to ongoing interuption of gulf stream www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://usclivar.org/sites/default/files/amoc/Straneo.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiYg8WyneTMAhVDDCwKHQnMAu0QFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNE-h5G5Kta8YBFQQ9qTGSD7vI6AFw&sig2=LhaXzgUDwZYCjZ311EDKwg This lady, fianna straneo is quite a big deal if you want to know about hudson bay/straits and inflow/outflow properties, river runoff contributions etc. The above is a pretty good PowerPoint but most of the research data has been pulled from an 07/08 array which has not continued. Essentially, some interesting dynamics are that the Hudson bay can retain fresh water and release it in pulses and there appears to not be correlation to seasonal outflow of fresh water and runoff into the basin. However, it still seems so perplexing that the Lab Current flows cold and strong all year and appears to interupt the Gulf stream. All diagrams of gulf stream flow show it curling slightly north west where the lab current meets it, however the lab current then progresses south west down East coast USA. The current picture given by ssta is that the lab current is effectively hitting the gulf stream like a sledge hammer! When I get time ill post nullschool images from this year and last.....They look very similar so far, a distinct fracturing of the GS apparent in both...
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Post by acidohm on May 19, 2016 21:07:46 GMT
 This is the current ssts from nullschool  This is last year same date. There were huge changes between then and now, but right now, there appears to be a pattern.....as i scanned back through the dates, we'll see a huge cold patch growing up till august with the GS pulling right back down the east coast USA, but it will strengthen and bloom back into atlantic come Jan. Not wanting to make any wild claims, perhaps this happens every year?? However, not every year do we have such depressed N Atlantic ssta..... |
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Post by Ratty on May 19, 2016 22:41:05 GMT
Thanks Acid. What a fabulous tool NullSchool is.
Couple of things I noticed from your images: The Mediterranean and the Great Lakes.
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