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Post by Andrew on Jun 24, 2013 22:22:40 GMT
The changes to the baltic ice winter classification system were i think driven by the ice breaker industry rather than FMI. Was that told by the voices? Its called being educated and reading about this topic You for example demonstrated a f**kwits ability to understand icebreakers or baltic ice And you seem to thrive in that ability to be a f**kwit Why? The new baltic ice classification system is a shared system for all the operators in the Baltic rather than just Finland
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Post by numerouno on Jun 24, 2013 22:36:34 GMT
"Its called being educated and reading about this topic"
Did I just say we can't read your mind? If you have your sources, not including any possible voices inside our head, you will need to show them for the rest. Possibly the report on the dimishing Batic ice commissioned by the shipping agency, and mentioned above by yours truly?
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Post by Andrew on Jun 24, 2013 22:57:08 GMT
"Its called being educated and reading about this topic" Did I just say we can't read your mind? If you have your sources, not including any possible voices inside our head, you will need to show them for the rest. Possibly the report on the dimishing Batic ice commissioned by the shipping agency, and mentioned above by yours truly? As i said i do not have much time to help you but this give you a good idea of the way in which the baltic sea countries are coorrdinating to enable better preparedness for whatever the future will bring where they say they do not know if global warming is established. Obviously the industry tends to have a vested interested in getting funding but they seem to be the drivers of change portal.liikennevirasto.fi/sivu/www/baltice/BIM_Joint_Annual__2011__2012-1.pdfYour earlier link says the new ice classification system was agreed by the Baltic countries Or do you think Finland decides all of these things and drives all the processes??
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Post by numerouno on Jun 24, 2013 23:15:40 GMT
As i said i do not have much time to help you
And I don't have the time to try to in vain hunt down your secret sources and/or read your mind, so how about you saw more of your dear wife.
I give you a bad example, I had an American university teacher who after 25 years in the country was still unable to order any meals in a restaurant in Finnish so it would be a good time for you to learn some actual language.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 25, 2013 1:48:28 GMT
As i said i do not have much time to help youAnd I don't have the time to try to in vain hunt down your secret sources and/or read your mind, so how about you saw more of your dear wife. I give you a bad example, I had an American university teacher who after 25 years in the country was still unable to order any meals in a restaurant in Finnish so it would be a good time for you to learn some actual language. It is funny how you never discuss the reasons for there being a normal range of 1965-1986 and instead create endless distractions
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Post by magellan on Jun 25, 2013 3:01:43 GMT
Near as I can tell, the record high temperature in Finland was recorded at 37.2 °C (99.0 °F), and measured at Joensuu Airport in Liperi on July 29, 2010. The station start date was 1955. Liperi Joensuu airport 3801 02929 62.66 29.61 121 Weather stations 1955 For fun, I looked up the station ID at GISS: Yeah, ok........ I'm sure others can appreciate the humor in this.
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Post by magellan on Jun 25, 2013 3:52:29 GMT
John Daly kept several records of temperature data before he passed away a number of years ago. I checked to see if he had any records for Finland. Yes he did. www.john-daly.com/stations/stations.htm#Europe The data is reported as 'annual mean temperature[C]'. It appears the data was retrieved in the early 2000's. Next is to find the current annual mean temperature data and compare to see if the data has been "adjusted" since John Daly created the graphs. I will then try to find out if an archived data source exists. Maybe Radiant or Numerouno can locate the raw data sources for Finland station temperature data and post the link. Numerouno, the more I look into this, your argument for "accelerating" Finland temperatures over the last 20 years is looking pretty silly. It appears Finland's FMI is also infected with AGW advocacy rather than honest science, no offense. Was UHI/land use change properly taken into account for the high temps you are so willing to pay $$$ to charity if I locate them? I highly doubt it. Anyone care to bet the past has been cooled and the present warmed? I only looked up GISS data for Kajaani. True to form, GISS increased the 1989 temperature by ~1 degC and 1999 by ~.5. By bringing those two points back down to when John Daly created the graph, the trend drops by >60%. Of course I don't have the archived data to fully dissect it, but GISS is known for such manipulation of data. Nonetheless, using GISS data, Kajaani Finland at that station has been cooling at a rate of -.15 deg/decade since 1989 (that odd step change year). data.giss.nasa.gov/tmp/gistemp/STATIONS/tmp_614028970000_14_0/station.txtI don't care to spend any more time on this. Numo, enjoy.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 25, 2013 12:12:21 GMT
"I don't care to spend any more time on this. Numo, enjoy. "
Of course you won't spend any time on it, that would only be your core argument!
Even with the real data offered to you for free, you'd rather scientifically masturbate on some dead gentleman's past data.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 25, 2013 12:19:58 GMT
"Near as I can tell, the record high temperature in Finland was recorded at 37.2 °C (99.0 °F), and measured at Joensuu Airport in Liperi on July 29, 2010. The station start date was 1955. " Wow, you managed to get the date out, against all odds! Only three tims did I have to bid! You'll be entitled to being a recipient of my receipt to the "nothing but nets" charity worth 30 EUR. Now, having established the year and date that broke the previous record of 1914 of 35.9C in Turku, which was previously quite widely regarded as a measurement fluke for almost 100 years in fact, as "Finland could never possibly have been that hot", how would you think this correlates with the cooling climate you insist there must be?
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Post by magellan on Jun 25, 2013 13:31:30 GMT
"Near as I can tell, the record high temperature in Finland was recorded at 37.2 °C (99.0 °F), and measured at Joensuu Airport in Liperi on July 29, 2010. The station start date was 1955. " Wow, you managed to get the date out, against all odds! Only three tims did I have to bid! You'll be entitled to being a recipient of my receipt to the "nothing but nets" charity worth 30 EUR. Now, having established the year and date that broke the previous record of 1914 of 35.9C in Turku, which was previously quite widely regarded as a measurement fluke for almost 100 years in fact, as "Finland could never possibly have been that hot", how would you think this correlates with the cooling climate you insist there must be? Finland has stopped warming just like most other locations around the globe. Someone explain to Numnuts why the start date and location difference matters, that 1955 is a later date than 1914, and airports are not good sites for precise temperature measurement. I don't have the patience.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 25, 2013 18:12:32 GMT
As i said i do not have much time to help youAnd I don't have the time to try to in vain hunt down your secret sources and/or read your mind, so how about you saw more of your dear wife. I give you a bad example, I had an American university teacher who after 25 years in the country was still unable to order any meals in a restaurant in Finnish so it would be a good time for you to learn some actual language. It is funny how you never discuss the reasons for there being a normal range of 1965-1986 and instead create endless distractions But it's not funny that you barge in with nothing to show, claim weird and/or false things of something only of importance to yourself, and blame people who try to have the patience with you. I have said you have an apparent mental problem, yes, and it does show. It's a real pity that the Finnish so system poorly accomodates for elderly people especially with a partial disability of any kind trying to get themselves employed.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 25, 2013 18:29:52 GMT
Ok, Magellan so you want me to say: "2010 never did happen no way, there was no exceptional heat wave of Russia and Finland never, and if there ever happened to be one of a passing kind it was most certainly a huge UHI artifact or simply someone measuring at an airport. Or at best it was all merely an exceptional coincidence. Or if it was real, it will be good for you anyway"
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Post by Andrew on Jun 25, 2013 19:14:20 GMT
It is funny how you never discuss the reasons for there being a normal range of 1965-1986 and instead create endless distractions But it's not funny that you barge in with nothing to show, claim weird and/or false things of something only of importance to yourself, and blame people who try to have the patience with you. I have said you have an apparent mental problem, yes, and it does show. It's a real pity that the Finnish so system poorly accomodates for elderly people especially with a partial disability of any kind trying to get themselves employed. I have proven the FMI use of a cold period date range of 1965-1986 as the normal period is funny, when the there is another FMI normal period of 1981 - 2010. It is funny! Try not to get so very upset and instead focus on enjoying your life please. You will not be young forever.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 25, 2013 19:38:32 GMT
You have proven exactly nothing of a sort. That is one of your sign of your illness. You can "prove" nothing by posting your own private ideas and thoughts and assume we immediately adopt them. We can't read into your mind.
You have focussed on one FMI ice information service page that has a non-standard notion what "normal ice situation" is, as the service is solely meant to inform the general public and changing the factors thereof would be counterproductive. The FMIs own media releases are in their language in accordance with their new standards. There is no conspiracy -- and why on earth can't you email Mr Vainio direcly and ask him why there is such an era on the page?
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Post by Andrew on Jun 25, 2013 19:57:48 GMT
You have proven exactly nothing of a sort. That is one of your sign of your illness. You can "prove" nothing by posting your own private ideas and thoughts and assume we immediately adopt them. We can't read into your mind. You have focussed on one FMI ice information service page that has a non-standard notion what "normal ice situation" is, as the service is solely meant to inform the general public and changing the factors thereof would be counterproductive. The FMIs own media releases are in their language in accordance with their new standards. There is no conspiracy -- and why on earth can't you email Mr Vainio direcly and ask him why there is such an era on the page? I have proven the FMI use of a cold period date range of 1965-1986 as the normal period is funny, when the there is another FMI normal period of 1981 - 2010. It is funny and quite evidently many other people think so If you use Google you will see that Vainio said in 2011 the 1965-1986 charts were created in the 1990's. In the Finnish discussion a chart of temperatures was shown that showed it was particularly cold in those years and much warmer before that with the claim it was the coldest period in Finland in the last 100 years. So why use those dates?? It really is odd The fact is when it is cold in Finland today according to FMI it can be relatively warm and when FMI say there is less ice it can be perfectly typical for Finland The really funny thing will be if Finland does get a cool period that FMI will have to say that although they are saying it is below normal in fact it is typical for finland. What kind of a fool decides that 30 years can be a normal period? Worse why use a 20 year cold period as a normal period and leave it there for 20 years even when you know it is there and the public are commenting about it?
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