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Post by numerouno on Jun 25, 2013 20:19:37 GMT
Seriously Radiant here, do see more of your loving wife, and not me of all people.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 25, 2013 20:55:15 GMT
Interestingly on a Finnish board there was a claim made the sea did not freeze at Vaasa on the west coast of Finland in 1916 even in February. It would be simple to check that story via a library. So it is really funny that the Finnish weather organisation is using such a short two decade date range when apparently it was the coldest period in Finland in the 20th century to compare todays ice to that of the past. 2010-2011 was a particularly severe Baltic ice winter with pure ice depths of 1.5M but the likes of Numerounu want you to believe that in earlier years the Baltic was frozen to depths of tens of meters and the icebreakers were able to tunnel their way thru 24M of solidly frozen ice and able to travel at 14kts thru 1.7M of pure ice continually as if todays conditions are rediculously trivial. www.thelocal.se/47154/20130405/This year was the latest date on record for the final highest amount of ice in the Baltic! The Swedish captain of the icebreaker Atle said "I've never seen this much ice this late in the season,"
"The cold is unusually stubborn, as normally the ice would have started to melt by now," said Torbjörn Grafström at the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (SMHI). Where did you hear that before?? Meanwhile Finlands weather centre wants to tell you that that it was a normal ice winter by comparing it to what might be the coldest two decades of the 20th century!! We are being brainwashed to believe in doom. But wait there is more! If you criss cross the baltic sea with ice class icebreaking freighters that can manage 30cm of ice as well as icebreakers able to smash their way thru ridges with ramming the ice must drift with the wind and reduce the ice area. Therefore we have no idea via ice area what conditions were like in the past. And therefore it is even more funny that Numerounu spent months on this board attempting to brainwash people into believing that ice conditions in the past were so bad that preprosterous super icebreakers were designed to handle conditions that are nothing like we experience today. Can it really be that Numerounu is so enormously stupid to believe what he wrote??
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Post by douglavers on Jun 25, 2013 21:43:24 GMT
Parts of Alaska, Northern Canada, Northern Europe are unusually hot. I can't find an anomalies chart for North Asia. wxmaps.org/pix/temp2.htmlMeanwhile, the Arctic itself is unusually cold. ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpIf a system wants to cool itself, it makes some bits unusually hot, extracting heat from elsewhere in the system. For a fridge, convection [mostly] cools the hot coils, while for a planet, the hot bits radiate enthusiastically into space. Something to do with Stefan's 4th power law, if my ancient memory is correct. To get back to the point, those hot land bits are actually a net cooling effect on the system.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 26, 2013 7:12:52 GMT
Interestingly on a Finnish board there was a claim made the sea did not freeze at Vaasa on the west coast of Finland in 1916 even in February. It would be simple to check that story via a library. So it is really funny that the Finnish weather organisation is using such a short two decade date range when apparently it was the coldest period in Finland in the 20th century to compare todays ice to that of the past. 2010-2011 was a particularly severe Baltic ice winter with pure ice depths of 1.5M but the likes of Numerounu want you to believe that in earlier years the Baltic was frozen to depths of tens of meters and the icebreakers were able to tunnel their way thru 24M of solidly frozen ice and able to travel at 14kts thru 1.7M of pure ice continually as if todays conditions are rediculously trivial. www.thelocal.se/47154/20130405/This year was the latest date on record for the final highest amount of ice in the Baltic! The Swedish captain of the icebreaker Atle said "I've never seen this much ice this late in the season,"
"The cold is unusually stubborn, as normally the ice would have started to melt by now," said Torbjörn Grafström at the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (SMHI). Where did you hear that before?? Meanwhile Finlands weather centre wants to tell you that that it was a normal ice winter by comparing it to what might be the coldest two decades of the 20th century!! We are being brainwashed to believe in doom. But wait there is more! If you criss cross the baltic sea with ice class icebreaking freighters that can manage 30cm of ice as well as icebreakers able to smash their way thru ridges with ramming the ice must drift with the wind and reduce the ice area. Therefore we have no idea via ice area what conditions were like in the past. And therefore it is even more funny that Numerounu spent months on this board attempting to brainwash people into believing that ice conditions in the past were so bad that preprosterous super icebreakers were designed to handle conditions that are nothing like we experience today. Can it really be that Numerounu is so enormously stupid to believe what he wrote?? Radiant, here's the picture of your "brainwashing to believe in doom". The strong winds drove some ice around at a date past the normal peak of March 15th. This is the Finnish data from Jouni Vainio's post at ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote/643653 The extent in itself was average. The final situation was also perfectly normal. ![](https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2876/9139897737_7ffc8271b3_c.jpg) I'm sorry but you really need to seek some help, or seek some better help.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 26, 2013 8:02:54 GMT
Interestingly on a Finnish board there was a claim made the sea did not freeze at Vaasa on the west coast of Finland in 1916 even in February. It would be simple to check that story via a library. So it is really funny that the Finnish weather organisation is using such a short two decade date range when apparently it was the coldest period in Finland in the 20th century to compare todays ice to that of the past. 2010-2011 was a particularly severe Baltic ice winter with pure ice depths of 1.5M but the likes of Numerounu want you to believe that in earlier years the Baltic was frozen to depths of tens of meters and the icebreakers were able to tunnel their way thru 24M of solidly frozen ice and able to travel at 14kts thru 1.7M of pure ice continually as if todays conditions are rediculously trivial. www.thelocal.se/47154/20130405/This year was the latest date on record for the final highest amount of ice in the Baltic! The Swedish captain of the icebreaker Atle said "I've never seen this much ice this late in the season,"
"The cold is unusually stubborn, as normally the ice would have started to melt by now," said Torbjörn Grafström at the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (SMHI). Where did you hear that before?? Meanwhile Finlands weather centre wants to tell you that that it was a normal ice winter by comparing it to what might be the coldest two decades of the 20th century!! We are being brainwashed to believe in doom. But wait there is more! If you criss cross the baltic sea with ice class icebreaking freighters that can manage 30cm of ice as well as icebreakers able to smash their way thru ridges with ramming the ice must drift with the wind and reduce the ice area. Therefore we have no idea via ice area what conditions were like in the past. And therefore it is even more funny that Numerounu spent months on this board attempting to brainwash people into believing that ice conditions in the past were so bad that preprosterous super icebreakers were designed to handle conditions that are nothing like we experience today. Can it really be that Numerounu is so enormously stupid to believe what he wrote?? Radiant, here's the picture of your "brainwashing to believe in doom". The strong winds drove some ice around at a date past the normal peak of March 15th. This is the Finnish data from Jouni Vainio's post at ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/tiedote/643653 The extent in itself was average. The final situation was also perfectly normal. ![](https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2876/9139897737_7ffc8271b3_c.jpg) I'm sorry but you really need to seek some help, or seek some better help. Funny that. You just compared the 2013 ice to one of the coldest periods in the last 110 years to tell me 2013 was perfectly normal
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Post by cuttydyer on Jun 26, 2013 8:07:06 GMT
![](http://static.dyp.im/fsLdeWFS15/653f942dd7744722b7992ff408aeef50.jpg) Finally it looks as though the UK is going to get a little warmer. This morning's temp of 6°C is far more agreeable than yesterday's 2.2°C. Will June manage to get up to the 1961-1990 average value? ![](http://static.dyp.im/rddObestLR/b74a4c50a798821d5c4315da6d4079a6.jpg)
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 26, 2013 19:15:27 GMT
Ya have a chance cutty.....ya have a chance.
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 27, 2013 1:07:48 GMT
sigurdur, How are you're crops doing?
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 27, 2013 1:26:58 GMT
Parts of Alaska, Northern Canada, Northern Europe are unusually hot. I can't find an anomalies chart for North Asia. wxmaps.org/pix/temp2.htmlMeanwhile, the Arctic itself is unusually cold. ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpIf a system wants to cool itself, it makes some bits unusually hot, extracting heat from elsewhere in the system. For a fridge, convection [mostly] cools the hot coils, while for a planet, the hot bits radiate enthusiastically into space. Something to do with Stefan's 4th power law, if my ancient memory is correct. To get back to the point, those hot land bits are actually a net cooling effect on the system. Doug, An unusually cold arctic during the summer may be a harbinger of things to come. The arctic could reverse years of losses in a hurry and bring about a quick change back to a colder cycle for the entire NH. Cold winters that see the Thames freeze over, Frost Fair's and long distance skating competitions in the Netherlands are not particularly frightening. Disruptive growing seasons that bring persistent drought and heat on one side of a Rossby Wave and cold wet conditions on the other are much, much more scary. I take just about every bit of climate news I hear nowadays with a grain of salt. Warming, Cooling, Warming, Cooling yada, yada, yada. But when people who make their living from the land like sigurdur, cuttydyer and others talk about the problems raising crops. I listen.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 27, 2013 4:34:09 GMT
It is a problem raising a crop this year in my area. In fact, the northern 1/2 of nd has problems. Other areas of the world are doing OK tho so no anticipated spike in food prices should occur. High quality wheat for bread will be affected but that is about it at this time.
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Post by cuttydyer on Jun 27, 2013 7:16:36 GMT
But when people who make their living from the land like sigurdur, cuttydyer and others talk about the problems raising crops. I listen. Glenn, I'd love to make a living from the land but for me it's just not viable; my "farming" is strictly a hobby. The last generation of farmers in my family were my Grandparents and even in post war Britain my Grandfather had to subsidize the farm with building work.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 27, 2013 10:49:24 GMT
First, here's the receipt of a 30 EUR (conv. rate from Forex.fi) donation I promised to make if Magellan could bear himself to mention the Finnish-Russian 2010 heatwave, which he, to his credit, did. ![](http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7455/9148996463_b71edda482_c_d.jpg)
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Post by numerouno on Jun 27, 2013 11:07:09 GMT
Also, in Family News: Mr Iceskaters, nee Radiant, nee Iceskaters, nee Radiant (if I recall right, he might have been yet something else as well) has gladly asserted he is a boy. He's also born in 1970 but recalls he is well past 50, a remarkable achievement in itself -- so how about changing all you details if change them must you. You could perhaps ask for a special permission to have multiple IDs on medical grounds. ![](http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5516/9151313244_ea72ac7511_c_d.jpg)
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Post by numerouno on Jun 27, 2013 11:26:03 GMT
If the temps keep hovering at around +25C for much longer still than the forecast, I think we're entering an unusual situation. There is a good chance currently for a summer that is truly "showing the cooling trend". The record holder for this summer is Tuiskavanluoto, Liperi. 32.4C, yesterday Jun 26th. Magellan, if online, please fire up your Google Maps and indicate the airports and urban development around Tuiskavanluoto, Liperi!![](https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3693/9149176497_516f60e4b6_o_d.jpg)
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Post by cuttydyer on Jun 27, 2013 11:47:45 GMT
NoTricksZone reports: Unusual, Cold Weather Causing Slow Sales For Retailers In France – Summer Frost Coming To Germany. ![](http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Europe-7-day-forecast.gif) Extract: Among the reasons (slow sales), The Local cites one retailer: ‘Because of the bad weather, customers have been looking in particular for winter stuff,’ one young shoe vendor in the capital told French daily Le Parisien on Monday. … Which is bad news for apparel and accessories stores who have stockpiled their shorts, swimwear and t-shirts for the summer season. ‘We still have at least 50 percent more stock than usual,’ the vendor added.”
Meanwhile the weather forecast is warning that some areas of Germany may see surface frost in the nights ahead as an early summer cold spell once again grips the country in the days ahead. Link: notrickszone.com/2013/06/25/unusual-cold-weather-causing-slow-sales-for-retailers-in-france-summer-frost-coming-to-germany/
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