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Post by cuttydyer on Jul 5, 2013 8:17:44 GMT
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Post by cuttydyer on Jul 5, 2013 9:54:57 GMT
History, Sun and the weather repeating themselves: The following is an extract from the 1975 edition of Science News vol 107 (published during the weak solar cycle 20 - similar in amplitude to the current cycle 24): Link: www.sciencenews.org/view/download/id/37739/name/CHILLING_POSSIBILITIES "the high-altitude winds are broken up into irregular cells by weaker and more plentiful pressure centers, causing formation of a "meridional circulation" pattern. These small, weak cells may stagnate over vast areas for many months, bringing unseasonably cold weather on one side and unseasonably warm weather on the other. Droughts and floods become more frequent and may alternate season to season, as they did last year in India. Thus, while the hemisphere as a whole is cooler, individual areas may alternately break temperature and precipitation records at both extremes."In today's news, India's Kinnaur district has been experiencing flooding and snowfall. “The entire area experienced heavy snowfall and rainfall continuously for 72 hours from June 15 to 17.” “It was for the first time in the history of Kinnaur district that the area experienced snowfall in June.” “About 90% cash crops, especially apple, has been damaged in the rain-ravaged Kinnaur district.” “With apple crop damaged, Kinnaur residents have suffered huge losses, it being the major source of their income.” Link: articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-06-30/chandigarh/40285557_1_water-supply-kinnaur-district-apple___________________________________________________________________________________________ The period of the highest frequency of Arizona's above 110 degree days occurred around the low amplitude solar cycle No.14 which is very similar to our current cycle 24.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 5, 2013 9:59:33 GMT
Naut i like the enthalpy discussion but we have an extraordinarily week system of gauging temperature and producing a world average so adding an energy volume element will just make it impossible and we would have no history. I do remember an article some years ago that tallied the number of potential weather records on planet earth that are able to be projected by the media and the number of record highs, lows, wet, dry etc is stupendous. the point of the article was that there are hundreds of records required to be broken per day to ensure we don't end up with a backlog. all that, UHI and homogenization just open the window on massive flow of doom. Relax in the sun if its sunny if not sail or ski etc etc etc. So the world makes decisions that are actually killing people based on the incorrect metric just because we have collected the incorrect metric for so long it would be difficult to change? Don't you just love PhD climate 'scientists' - who cares right?
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Post by numerouno on Jul 5, 2013 14:45:38 GMT
So you tend to agree with those that consider this one as the highest temp reliably recorded in the world? Numno there are a lot of credible people that don't agree with each other. I see have no reason or evidence to choose Mr. Burt's opinion over that of the many scientists that accept the 1913 record as being substantially higher temperature even with a lower angle sun. Mr Burts arguments are unsupported by him. For example, his references simply states "Too many to list. Please contact me for any specific references you would like to know." Hardly a credible article even if Mr. Burt has credibility as you claim. So again, may I ask Icefisher if you agree with those who think we have just seen a reliable measurement of the highest temperature ever recorded on the planet's surface? Without thinking all the way, you used the old measurements as a token on how the things were done wrong in the past, rode into a dead end without knowing it, and now are trying to reverse in full speed!
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Post by numerouno on Jul 5, 2013 15:35:27 GMT
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Post by numerouno on Jul 5, 2013 16:08:13 GMT
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In recent years, the Northern Hemisphere has suffered several devastating regional summer weather extremes, such as the European heat wave in 2003, the Russian heat wave and the Indus river flood in Pakistan in 2010, and the heat wave in the United States in 2011. [And the recent 2013 events - Numerouno] Here, we propose a common mechanism for the generation of persistent longitudinal planetary-scale high-amplitude patterns of the atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere midlatitudes. Those patterns—with zonal wave numbers m = 6, 7, or 8—are characteristic of the above extremes. We show that these patterns might result from trapping within midlatitude waveguides of free synoptic waves with zonal wave numbers k ? m. Usually, the quasistationary dynamical response with the above wave numbers m to climatological mean thermal and orographic forcing is weak. Such midlatitude waveguides, however, may favor a strong magnification of that response through quasiresonance. www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/02/28/1222000110
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 5, 2013 17:05:39 GMT
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Post by magellan on Jul 5, 2013 17:48:05 GMT
Abstract
In recent years, the Northern Hemisphere has suffered several devastating regional summer weather extremes, such as the European heat wave in 2003, the Russian heat wave and the Indus river flood in Pakistan in 2010, and the heat wave in the United States in 2011. [And the recent 2013 events - Numerouno] Here, we propose a common mechanism for the generation of persistent longitudinal planetary-scale high-amplitude patterns of the atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere midlatitudes. Those patterns—with zonal wave numbers m = 6, 7, or 8—are characteristic of the above extremes. We show that these patterns might result from trapping within midlatitude waveguides of free synoptic waves with zonal wave numbers k ? m. Usually, the quasistationary dynamical response with the above wave numbers m to climatological mean thermal and orographic forcing is weak. Such midlatitude waveguides, however, may favor a strong magnification of that response through quasiresonance. www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/02/28/1222000110 More Rahmstorf nonsense again. Maybe the alarmist authors should have taken some remedial meteorology courses and studied weather history before asking their pal review buddies to approve their essay. wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/27/blockheaded-thinking-on-well-known-weather-patterns-and-extreme-weather/ It is not well understood. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50174/abstractNumo, your "scientists" are making it all up as the years go by. Their predictions have all failed. Their models are garbage. You are a victim of Skeptical Science Syndrome.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 5, 2013 18:24:46 GMT
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Post by icefisher on Jul 5, 2013 18:59:17 GMT
I don't know if you will find anybody who will dispute that Numno!
After all there has been a lot of talk around here for years about the UNRELIABILITY of the temperature record. Its really good to see you finally coming around to that point of view and that you are now recognizing many of the folks questioning the temperature record are in fact credible. So you tend to agree with those that consider this one as the highest temp reliably recorded in the world? Numno you need to learn to distinguish between the credentials of an advocate and the credibility of his opinion. If as you seem to hold as true were true; there would be no need whatsoever for an audit profession.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 5, 2013 19:15:26 GMT
So you tend to agree with those that consider this one as the highest temp reliably recorded in the world? Numno you need to learn to distinguish between the credentials of an advocate and the credibility of his opinion. If as you seem to hold as true were true; there would be no need whatsoever for an audit profession. I too thought you had painted yourself in the corner, by your own words, and without any prompting.
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Post by magellan on Jul 5, 2013 20:35:28 GMT
Numno you need to learn to distinguish between the credentials of an advocate and the credibility of his opinion. If as you seem to hold as true were true; there would be no need whatsoever for an audit profession. I too thought you had painted yourself in the corner, by your own words, and without any prompting. Show us evidence of increasing extreme weather in the last 100 years.
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Post by numerouno on Jul 5, 2013 21:13:45 GMT
I too thought you had painted yourself in the corner, by your own words, and without any prompting. Show us evidence of increasing extreme weather in the last 100 years. Perhaps would lie to you show first where exactly the UHI and bad siting caused the recent Death Valley record to have been in error, and/or reveal the identity and the purpose of the conspirators who meddle with weather statistics in general and in particular in the U.S.?
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Post by graywolf on Jul 5, 2013 21:19:16 GMT
Hi Numerouno!
It's must be those pesky insurance comp.s over there trying to drive up premiums?
It is obviously not the weather just that folk have got too darn clever with this 'moving to places where floods/wildfires/tornadoes/hurricanes/heatwaves/Snowstorms/droughts occur'?
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 5, 2013 23:10:09 GMT
Hi Numerouno! It's must be those pesky insurance comp.s over there trying to drive up premiums? It is obviously not the weather just that folk have got too darn clever with this 'moving to places where floods/wildfires/tornadoes/hurricanes/heatwaves/Snowstorms/droughts occur'? There was an article in the economist I think that talked about the problems of re-insuramce. Seems they have not had enough claims.
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