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Post by scpg02 on Dec 25, 2014 16:30:49 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 4, 2017 1:04:17 GMT
To continue a theme..... (the last post on this was 3 years ago...)
"There was a breathtakingly beautiful BBC series on the Great Barrier Reef recently which my son pronounced himself almost too depressed to watch. ‘What’s the point?’ said Boy. ‘By the time I get to Australia to see it the whole bloody lot will have dissolved.’
The menace Boy was describing is ‘ocean acidification’. It’s no wonder he should find it worrying, for it has been assiduously promoted by environmentalists for more than a decade now as ‘global warming’s evil twin’. Last year, no fewer than 600 academic papers were published on the subject, so it must be serious, right?"www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/ocean-acidification-yet-another-wobbly-pillar-of-climate-alarmism/ |
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Post by missouriboy on Dec 4, 2017 1:36:38 GMT
I wonder how pepto bismol in suppository form would work?  |
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 4, 2017 1:41:05 GMT
The most telling paragraph from that study is:
"According to a report last year by Climate Change Business Journal, [the climate change industry] is now worth an astonishing $1.5 trillion — about the same as the online shopping industry. If the scare goes away, then all bets are off, because the entire global decarbonisation business relies on it. The wind parks, the carbon sequestration projects, the solar farms, the biomass plantations — none of these green schemes make any kind of commercial sense unless you buy into the theory that anthropogenic CO2 is catastrophically warming the planet and that radical green measures, enforced by governmental regulation, must be adopted to avert it."
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 14, 2019 17:49:13 GMT
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Post by juancarnuba on Feb 15, 2019 16:19:55 GMT
Henry's Law disputes ocean acidification, always has. Ocean acidification is one of those inconvenient lies forced on us by the MSM that is just not true. The biggest culprit in coral degradation turns out to be sun block.
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 15, 2019 16:41:11 GMT
Henry's Law disputes ocean acidification, always has. Ocean acidification is one of those inconvenient lies forced on us by the MSM that is just not true. The biggest culprit in coral degradation turns out to be sun block. As the oceans are almost caustic becoming less alkaline is not really a problem - not to mention the huge buffering from limestone and the accumulation of untold billions of shells. |
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Post by acidohm on Feb 15, 2019 16:59:09 GMT
Henry's Law disputes ocean acidification, always has. Ocean acidification is one of those inconvenient lies forced on us by the MSM that is just not true. The biggest culprit in coral degradation turns out to be sun block. As the oceans are almost caustic becoming less alkaline is not really a problem - not to mention the huge buffering from limestone and the accumulation of untold billions of shells. The use of the term "acidification" is completely misleading and scientifically incorrect. Interesting that you tie in the natural process which is responsible for the slow asphyxiation of life on our planet. |
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 15, 2019 18:21:22 GMT
As the oceans are almost caustic becoming less alkaline is not really a problem - not to mention the huge buffering from limestone and the accumulation of untold billions of shells. The use of the term "acidification" is completely misleading and scientifically incorrect. Interesting that you tie in the natural process which is responsible for the slow asphyxiation of life on our planet. Perhaps the term debased could be used to describe both the unlikely process as well as its perpetrators.  |
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Post by walnut on Feb 16, 2019 4:08:10 GMT
Ocean acidification was a trial balloon, testing the waters for a 'plan B' scam. From "The National Geographic": Carbonic Acid. When carbon dioxide dissolves in this ocean, carbonic acid is formed. ... Over the past 300 million years, ocean pH has been slightly basic, averaging about 8.2. Today, it is around 8.1, a drop of 0.1 pH units, representing a 25-percent increase in acidity over the past two centuries. Yet, NOAA says: "It is only since the 1990s that it has been possible to discern small pH changes in the ocean with reasonable confidence." www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Quality+of+pH+Measurements+in+the+NODC+Data+ArchivesIn other words, Quit worrying about it because we really don't know what, if anything, is happening. |
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Post by missouriboy on Feb 16, 2019 6:17:34 GMT
Ocean acidification was a trial balloon, testing the waters for a 'plan B' scam. From "The National Geographic": Carbonic Acid. When carbon dioxide dissolves in this ocean, carbonic acid is formed. ... Over the past 300 million years, ocean pH has been slightly basic, averaging about 8.2. Today, it is around 8.1, a drop of 0.1 pH units, representing a 25-percent increase in acidity over the past two centuries. Yet, NOAA says: "It is only since the 1990s that it has been possible to discern small pH changes in the ocean with reasonable confidence." www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Quality+of+pH+Measurements+in+the+NODC+Data+ArchivesIn other words, Quit worrying about it because we really don't know what, if anything, is happening.And there you go Walnut. That is the cardinal lesson of today's climate science. But they're not worried ... just greedy. |
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Post by nautonnier on Feb 16, 2019 9:52:03 GMT
Henry's Law disputes ocean acidification, always has. Ocean acidification is one of those inconvenient lies forced on us by the MSM that is just not true. The biggest culprit in coral degradation turns out to be sun block. Unfortunately, knowledge and application of the various Gas Laws is at an all time low. Nobody seems to understand how the lapse rates happen either. Basic gas laws have nothing to do with added energy or 'work'. |
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Post by icefisher on Feb 16, 2019 17:53:29 GMT
Henry's Law disputes ocean acidification, always has. Ocean acidification is one of those inconvenient lies forced on us by the MSM that is just not true. The biggest culprit in coral degradation turns out to be sun block. Unfortunately, knowledge and application of the various Gas Laws is at an all time low. Nobody seems to understand how the lapse rates happen either. Basic gas laws have nothing to do with added energy or 'work'. There has been a lot of speculation about negative effects of increasing carbon in the oceans such as shellfish being hampered in their ability to form shells. However, all the experiments I have seen the results in either produce no effect or actually increase the rate of growth of shellfish. I think I have shared this story before but will again. Some 15 years ago I was attending a meeting in Foster City, CA. To skip the expensive hotel menu I walked a couple blocks to a Jack in the Box. In line in front of me was this hippy looking guy with long hair and a TShirt that read on the back "Save the Plankton". Sort of chuckling to myself I engaged him in conversation by asking "Save the Plankton from what". Ended up we ate lunch together and I found out his name was Russ George and he was the CEO of a not-for-profit corporation named Planktos and his company had its headquarters in Foster City. He spiel was that the ocean was in general iron poor and experiments with the growth of photosynthesis vegetation, primarily plankton, in the ocean was limited due to the lack of iron in the water. He speculated that might be a result of massive human land development limiting the amount of dust and muds being drained into the ocean from the land, but acknowledged that was only speculation. However, he was adamant that the ocean is iron poor for optimum growth of life in the ocean the implications of which are astounding in the possibilities for ocean productivity. Like a feed the world sort of issue! He also believed that by seeding the ocean with iron dust a means of mitigating human emissions would present itself by promoting plankton growth and more absorption of carbon, much of which would eventually fall to the bottom of the ocean and be sequestered. Seems there is a good deal of scientific evidence for that because there is a carbon saturation layer in the deep ocean that is permanent and thus below this line in the ocean depths ocean waters don't absorb more carbon. Henry's law through the partial pressure of carbon will seek to maintain a balance between the atmosphere and the ocean surface. With human emissions emitting carbon that increases the partial pressure in the atmosphere and promotes absorption in the ocean. In the photic zone of the ocean carbon is somewhat depleted by photosynthesis, thus there is a consistent absorption of CO2 into the ocean just as there is on a grass prairie or a forest. The alarmists believe increased emissions will cause the carbon saturation layer in the ocean to raise its level, causing shellfish to be depleted. Russ George believes fertilizing the ocean will cause plankton to increase which when it dies will sink to the bottom of the ocean taking the carbon with it. And with massive zones in the deep ocean lacking oxygen that carbon based material will just stay there, which it does as the layers of carbon based creatures in the ocean actually creates most of the science we know about the history of the oceans. George was pretty convincing and obviously enthusiastic about an opportunity to mitigate human emissions so at the time he was working to get a permit to carry out an experiment in the ocean. That permit was eventually denied and later he got a tribe of Canadian Indians to sponsor a project. I emailed George once again after that and few years after our lunch. He claimed that the reason the project was judged to be a failure is the plankton bloom that was created was quickly overwhelmed by creatures feeding upon it. As a pro in that area, that's exactly what I had expected. Fish gather along natural ocean boundaries between water temperature, salinity, and chlorophyll precisely because they are attracted to the productivity of these zones in the ocean. Build it and they will come. Its exactly how artificial reefs in the ocean work. But talking about scaring the snot out of the environmental community!! In the ocean maximum populations are maintained through scarcity. Humans as innovative as they are can break those barriers like no other animal known to science. Its why progress has continued beyond every naysayer in history. Those naysayers the "soft greens" in Peter Huber's book Hard Green turn up wrong each and every time yet to them disaster lurks around every blind corner. They are the flat earther's warning the sailing explorers that if you sail too far in one direction you will fall off the edge of the world. |
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Post by nonentropic on Feb 16, 2019 18:09:54 GMT
Fully agree the Fe is depleted by fishing and it is our duty to return this mineral shortage.
The Fe and the consequent plankton is both eaten and falls to the bottom of the ocean kind of a good story all round.
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Post by icefisher on Feb 16, 2019 21:16:32 GMT
Fully agree the Fe is depleted by fishing and it is our duty to return this mineral shortage. The Fe and the consequent plankton is both eaten and falls to the bottom of the ocean kind of a good story all round. I haven't seen anything that links Fe depletion to fishing. One of the attractive prospects of ocean mining is the ocean bottoms are for the most part completely undisturbed and they accumulate minerals that fall there and thus don't contribute to ocean productivity. However that gets into a saturation issue that I don't know much about. I have read some on carbon saturation in deep water but not the other minerals. I have always believed there is some impact on the oceans from fishing and extracting carbon based life forms without replacing that loss of carbon. But as I understand it carbon life forms that fall to the bottom in waters deeper than the photic zone goes mostly underutilized except by very slow currents that upwell in certain zones of the ocean. this cold mineral rich water spurs plankton blooms which according to studies George has is mostly limited by missing Fe. His theories are the greening of deserts combined with the impoundment of freshwater limits iron from being removed from soils due to precipitation and winds generating dust storms. There are some articles on effects of human agriculture limiting dust storms over the ocean particularly on the west coast of northern Africa. But the same might be said of other desert environments like southern California. But what I can say is the philosophy that nature is perfect is as wrong as the concept of perfection being applied anywhere is. The very concept of perfection is profoundly a religious point of view. One can only imagine what would happen to human civilization if we reverted to stone age food production practices. The ocean represent such a frontier the surface of which is virtually untapped. The doomsday rhetoric of the very same people like Paul Ehrlich today in the global warming arena is a rhetoric for artificial limits on human population. May as well be Adolph Hitler on steroids being such a philosopher. All all that is is a variation of lebensraum. |
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