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Post by Ratty on Dec 11, 2016 4:56:21 GMT
Oh, I admit that I do not like her. Anyhow, I think that she is. Walnut, McCarthy reminds me of our own Human Rights Commissioner, Gillian Trigg whom I admit I do not like. Triggs should do the decent thing and resign. Failing that, she should be sacked by the government. Neither is likely to happen. THE FLAGRANT FIBS OF GILLIAN TRIGGS
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Post by walnut on Dec 11, 2016 7:09:39 GMT
Here is another- she is married, but I think she is gay. I could have described McCarthy as the butch haircut lady. I could have just called her by name. So sue me. If you ever listened to her debate AGW, you would have known that she is a poser and a fraud. No biggie, I don't mind. Their sexuality is irrelevant.
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Post by Ratty on Dec 11, 2016 12:17:03 GMT
OOh, you are awful Walnut ..... but I like you.
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Post by walnut on Dec 11, 2016 14:39:42 GMT
Gina Mccarthy is very adept at shutting down US industry, but she knows less about climate and science than several of the people on this very message board.
She was the left's perfect bureaucrat, a modern gestapo soldier "just doing her duty".
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Post by nautonnier on Dec 11, 2016 16:44:39 GMT
Gina Mccarthy is very adept at shutting down US industry, but she knows less about climate and science than several of the people on this very message board. She was the left's perfect bureaucrat, a modern gestapo soldier "just doing her duty". The EPA is looking at a very restricted role after Jan 20th. However, the other federal agencies may also see their wings severely clipped. The so called 'Army Corps of Engineers' who in New Orleans invested more in casinos than in levees is one such agency, together with the Bureau of Land Management. There is no doubt that they have been used to enforce Agenda 21 aims rather than follow laws enacted by Congress.
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Post by AstroMet on Dec 12, 2016 7:10:45 GMT
We are drawing closer and closer to a new climate regime - global cooling - as I have been forecasting for a long time now. Our Sun, which governs the Earth's climate, is gradually speeding toward its quiescent phase, which ushers in a little ice age that I have been warning about for well over a decade. Another of my mundane forecasts is that the geopolitical situation worldwide will greatly alter because of the weather of global cooling. The trends that you witness today will be seriously affected by colder than normal temperatures, heavy snow and ice, gusting winds, along with extreme storms delivered by the altered jet streams. The floods and droughts associated with global cooling will drain resources and lower crop yields in the next decade, causing considerable economic, social and political disruptions that will increase as the climate of global cooling matures and deepens. We are now seeing increased intrusions of polar vortices into the northern and southern hemispheres with the northern hemisphere, heading into the winter of 2017 is getting another taste. www.aol.com/article/weather/2016/12/09/the-polar-vortex-is-coming-brutal-arctic-cold-waves-heading-for/21624642/
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Post by fredzl4dh on Dec 12, 2016 8:26:11 GMT
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Post by graywolf on Dec 12, 2016 11:24:05 GMT
The only 'verification was that Rose and co. are idiots and have been severely criticised for attempting such fraud. Upper atmosphere temps from over continent post a Nino peak?
Sadly only a portion of the 'Nino Peak ' was Nino produced and as we saw in the run up to this years record warmth were two record warm years? The flip of the IPO in 2014 allowed the heat that was being buried to enter the climate system. If IPO remains positive then this trend will continue and , as it is, the Pacific warmth either side of the equator has milded out any attempt for a Nina to form in 2016?
The kicker has to be the 'new energy' that open water across the Arctic is providing these days? With a record low 'freezing days' this year ( Two and a half months earlier than the record of last winter???) ice thickness and temperature are both suffering promising an even more disruptive 2017 melt season with even more impacts through Autumn/early winter 2017?
How long can the permafrost hold onto its CH4 cargo under such extreme forcings?
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Post by Ratty on Dec 12, 2016 12:46:25 GMT
It's no wonder you look so sad all the time, GW.
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Post by icefisher on Dec 12, 2016 18:11:09 GMT
The only 'verification was that Rose and co. are idiots and have been severely criticised for attempting such fraud. Upper atmosphere temps from over continent post a Nino peak? Sadly only a portion of the 'Nino Peak ' was Nino produced and as we saw in the run up to this years record warmth were two record warm years? The flip of the IPO in 2014 allowed the heat that was being buried to enter the climate system. If IPO remains positive then this trend will continue and , as it is, the Pacific warmth either side of the equator has milded out any attempt for a Nina to form in 2016? The kicker has to be the 'new energy' that open water across the Arctic is providing these days? With a record low 'freezing days' this year ( Two and a half months earlier than the record of last winter???) ice thickness and temperature are both suffering promising an even more disruptive 2017 melt season with even more impacts through Autumn/early winter 2017? How long can the permafrost hold onto its CH4 cargo under such extreme forcings? How long? Hmmm, maybe not long before Russia and Exxon Mobile starts pumping hydrocarbons out the arctic. Hmmm, as to the record drop in temperatures. . . .if only a portion of the Nino Peak was Nino produced, what do you attribute the record drop in temperatures to? My inclination would be to say its not all that remarkable in view of a record Nino peak, but if its not then it must be attributable to something else. Your ideas? Other than just your usual "move along nothing to see here response". I agree the flip of the IPO released one heckuva a lot of energy which one would assume to have occurred when the oceans were heavily insulated with ice up until around 9 years ago. Science has somewhat of a consensus on the upper ocean taking up to about 10-12 years to adjust with at most an error bar/deviation of about 3 years around that range. So it does not seem unusual we would see the oceans continue to sacrifice a lot of heat. So its not surprising to see a lot of energy being released periodically even during multi-decadal periods of relatively mild IPO conditions. We see this fluctuation during all our record keeping. In fact its such a feature that we only need to go back about 7 decades and this kind of variation blots out the multi-decadal fluctuations in temperatures and all that is left to see are fishery catch data fluctuating in time with the pattern. . . .which of course is how the multi-decadal pattern was detected in the first place. The longterm problem is the oceans are colder than the climate precisely because cold water sinks and hot water does not. Water is at its coldest when exposed to cold winds as opposed to being insulated like an eskimo by ice. Further low ice encourages more melting and more freezing of ice. That process accelerates the filling of the abysmal ocean with super cooled water. Of course thats the theory since we have no way of knowing for sure since we do not adequately sample the abysmal ocean temperatures. Thus we currently have the upper ocean emitting massive amounts of heat to the atmosphere and onto space and the ocean bottoms getting colder and colder under low arctic ice conditions. It truly takes some massive blinders to look beyond the obvious and see only one side of every story. So lets look at the Antarctic and note that to some extent it has been offsetting that effect. Imagine though Graywolf if the two poles get in sync what might happen? As to the IPO remaining positive we will have to see about that. The the great hot "Blob" has changed into the great cold "Blob". How come we aren't getting alarmed about that? I flipped yesterday from Dec10 to 11 and that blob is expanding into the Gulf Alaska and a fast clip as well as some near coast upwelling producing small slivers of cold anomalies. If this continues the positive IPO is not for long at all. But the bad news (from your perspective at least) is cold water does not emit as much heat to space as hot water though low ice remains a big concern for continued heat loss to space. As to your Nina prognosis, according the official CPC expert discussions the ENSO index is currently standing at a -.6 with the IRI/CPC official prediction of this continuing until the JFM season giving 7 over lapping La Nina seasons which is 2 more than required for the current La Nina conditions which are present to go into the books as an official La Nina. You are saying above milding has occurred to rule out a La Nina. Where are you getting your information from? Here is where I am getting mine from, published this morning: www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/lanina/enso_evolution-status-fcsts-web.pdf
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 12, 2016 18:19:16 GMT
Something of value here: 1. The present orbital parameters are approx the same as the Eemian, and other much warmer interglacials. 2. MIS-11 seems to be the precursor of the Holocene. 3. NO ONE can put a finger on why the previous 3 interglacials were so warm. 4. NO ONE can put a finger on why MIS-11 was cool, but lasted in excess of 40,000 years.
There is an obvious missing link that hasn't been discovered yet.
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Post by nonentropic on Dec 12, 2016 20:52:14 GMT
Yes Sig.
Here lives the biggest issue of the entire AGW or CAGW movement and for that mater the people that claim the innocents of CO2. We don't really know what drives these large climate changes.
The onus of proof sits with the CAGW folk because they have put the hypothesis up. As a "very luke warmer" I think we should all take an interest. I base this on the ludicrous hijacking of the process by a Neo-Marxist single world order group, plus its valuable to get this solved for future generations. We, and that means everyone, for example have no real idea if we sit on the edge of a serious fall in temperatures. yes yes Astro etc but I would suggest that if that had a long history of success he would rule the world. Astro has put up but one further hypothesis currently under test.
I say this with all respect and certainly huge interest.
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Post by sigurdur on Dec 12, 2016 21:50:20 GMT
Yes Sig. Here lives the biggest issue of the entire AGW or CAGW movement and for that mater the people that claim the innocents of CO2. We don't really know what drives these large climate changes. The onus of proof sits with the CAGW folk because they have put the hypothesis up. As a "very luke warmer" I think we should all take an interest. I base this on the ludicrous hijacking of the process by a Neo-Marxist single world order group, plus its valuable to get this solved for future generations. We, and that means everyone, for example have no real idea if we sit on the edge of a serious fall in temperatures. yes yes Astro etc but I would suggest that if that had a long history of success he would rule the world. Astro has put up but one further hypothesis currently under test. I say this with all respect and certainly huge interest. I freely admit that CO2 is a radiative gas. I freely admit that it has to have SOME effect on Climate. Note the "some". There are so many variables that no one has addressed, at least no one that I can find and I have read a lot of papers in my search. That to me is the missing answer. The WHY past performance has not proven indicative of future performance. There is a force pushing the wiggle. I have no idea what the force is, and it would seem no one else does as well. Do I think we should spend mankind to the brink of disaster without all reliable information? HECK NO!!! The AGW folks who think they have all the answers, haven't looked at the questions that are NOT answered.
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Post by bryson on Jan 3, 2017 22:23:57 GMT
"We are drawing closer and closer to a new climate regime - global cooling - as I have been forecasting for a long time now.
Our Sun, which governs the Earth's climate, is gradually speeding toward its quiescent phase, which ushers in a little ice age that I have been warning about for well over a decade.
Another of my mundane forecasts is that the geopolitical situation worldwide will greatly alter because of the weather of global cooling.
The trends that you witness today will be seriously affected by colder than normal temperatures, heavy snow and ice, gusting winds, along with extreme storms delivered by the altered jet streams.
The floods and droughts associated with global cooling will drain resources and lower crop yields in the next decade, causing considerable economic, social and political disruptions that will increase as the climate of global cooling matures and deepens.
We are now seeing increased intrusions of polar vortices into the northern and southern hemispheres with the northern hemisphere, heading into the winter of 2017 is getting another taste."
www.aol.com/article/weather/2016/12/09/the-polar-vortex-is-coming-brutal-arctic-cold-waves-heading-for/21624642/During the arctic cold waves of last December some places were up to 40 degrees below normal and temperatures fell as much as 70 degrees in 24 hours in the southern plains will these events become the new normal. Also did you foresee the record warm fall in the U.S, it was the warmest on record in many cities in the U.S.
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Post by missouriboy on Jan 3, 2017 23:08:00 GMT
"We are drawing closer and closer to a new climate regime - global cooling - as I have been forecasting for a long time now.
Our Sun, which governs the Earth's climate, is gradually speeding toward its quiescent phase, which ushers in a little ice age that I have been warning about for well over a decade.
Another of my mundane forecasts is that the geopolitical situation worldwide will greatly alter because of the weather of global cooling.
The trends that you witness today will be seriously affected by colder than normal temperatures, heavy snow and ice, gusting winds, along with extreme storms delivered by the altered jet streams.
The floods and droughts associated with global cooling will drain resources and lower crop yields in the next decade, causing considerable economic, social and political disruptions that will increase as the climate of global cooling matures and deepens.
We are now seeing increased intrusions of polar vortices into the northern and southern hemispheres with the northern hemisphere, heading into the winter of 2017 is getting another taste."
www.aol.com/article/weather/2016/12/09/the-polar-vortex-is-coming-brutal-arctic-cold-waves-heading-for/21624642/During the arctic cold waves of last December some places were up to 40 degrees below normal and temperatures fell as much as 70 degrees in 24 hours in the southern plains will these events become the new normal. Also did you foresee the record warm fall in the U.S, it was the warmest on record in many cities in the U.S. I can almost hear Dogma flailing in the darkness. But hey ... it's only weather. Climate is what happens when weather catches up with you.
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