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Post by lsvalgaard on Mar 24, 2010 4:48:59 GMT
Didn't see it. I think this is absolutely silly and stupid. The public wants LIVE pictures. That generates excitement. Imagine NASA back then saying: "Folks, We have landed on the Moon. Pictures will be shown in a month." Leif rest assured it was only an attempt at humor. But I do have it on good authority that two of the ground antennas lost lockup with the satellite over the weekend and one took several minutes to regain lock thus causing the loss of a small amount of data. If Beth Citrin or Dean Pesnell find out who is responsible for that leak I would hate to imagine what will happen to him. Something involving a guillotine I guess. Don't even think about it Maggie. Not yours was silly and stupid, but NASA's attitude |
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Post by Bob k6tr on Mar 24, 2010 13:13:31 GMT
Leif rest assured it was only an attempt at humor. But I do have it on good authority that two of the ground antennas lost lockup with the satellite over the weekend and one took several minutes to regain lock thus causing the loss of a small amount of data. If Beth Citrin or Dean Pesnell find out who is responsible for that leak I would hate to imagine what will happen to him. Something involving a guillotine I guess. Don't even think about it Maggie. Not yours was silly and stupid, but NASA's attitude Well it looks like Goddard is owning up. SDO Day 42: The Doors Open
Wed, 24 Mar 2010
This morning the HMI door will be opened. Engineering images to test HMI will begin to flow. These will start with pictures of the door opening that allow the HMI team to study scattered light inside the instrument.
Go HMI, Go SDO!Believe it or not Leif I can actually understand NASA's risk aversion stance. Remember what happened with Hubble ? I'm sure there are a few faces that still haven't had the color return to them after they found out the mirror was ground to the wrong curvature. The thought of going through that again would make my rearend pucker. |
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Post by Bob k6tr on Mar 24, 2010 13:57:04 GMT
Leif I would suspect that if Goddard opens the doors on SDO and things go well they will schedule a press conference tomorrow and release at that time.
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Post by lsvalgaard on Mar 24, 2010 17:09:37 GMT
Leif I would suspect that if Goddard opens the doors on SDO and things go well they will schedule a press conference tomorrow and release at that time. No, in April |
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Post by Bob k6tr on Mar 24, 2010 18:50:40 GMT
Leif I would suspect that if Goddard opens the doors on SDO and things go well they will schedule a press conference tomorrow and release at that time. No, in April I understand that's what you were told but when one is in risk aversion mode the dominant theme is "trust noone". Once everything is up and running there is no reason to withhold information. If NASA persists in this spirit the news media will take it as a challenge to find out. NASA was very public about the launch of this project. It is unreasonable to expect the news media to willingly accept NASA slamming shut the spigot because they want everything perfect before they release significant information to the public. As I said yesterday the info is out about the ground station losing lock with the satellite for a few minutes over the weelend. You may know thart's trivial, I may know that's trivial but the public at large has no what they are talking about. A pesty reporter can dig that up and blow it up. And when NASA has assumed the posture of withholding developments the public is left with ample basis to accept the news story at face value. |
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Post by Bob k6tr on Mar 24, 2010 19:46:11 GMT
This just reported on the SDO website: At 11:00 am EST this morning HMI began opening their door. This door protected the front window and optics from damage but can now be opened to let the Sun shine in. Sunlight was used to illuminate the front window and study the optical performance of the telescope. A sunspot could be seen in these engineering images. Noon: Here are the HMI team members who did the commanding in the MOC, congratulations HMI!  Is that an image of the sun on the monitor just to the right of the guy on the far left ? Leif, these guys aren't going to win any awards for keeping a secret. |
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Post by lsvalgaard on Mar 24, 2010 19:54:17 GMT
I understand that's what you were told but when one is in risk aversion mode the dominant theme is "trust noone". Once everything is up and running there is no reason to withhold information. If NASA persists in this spirit the news media will take it as a challenge to find out. NASA was very public about the launch of this project. It is unreasonable to expect the news media to willingly accept NASA slamming shut the spigot because they want everything perfect before they release significant information to the public. As I said yesterday the info is out about the ground station losing lock with the satellite for a few minutes over the weelend. You may know thart's trivial, I may know that's trivial but the public at large has no what they are talking about. A pesty reporter can dig that up and blow it up. And when NASA has assumed the posture of withholding developments the public is left with ample suspicion to believe the news story. and THAT is why it is BAD policy to keep things under wraps [remember you agreed with them that it was good or at least understandable...]. From Phil Scherrer: The HMI aperture door was opened this morning and all looks quite well. The instrument is working with no known issues. The initial tuning and calibrations will take a few days then we will be able to study the planned series of observing 'framelists' to pick a 'final' one. SDO spacecraft commissioning continues to about the end of April at which time the SDO development team led by Liz Citrin at GSFC will hand the spacecraft over to the SDO Project Scientist, W. Dean Pesnell, for Phase-E - the science phase of the mission. NASA plans a "first light" press briefing in mid to late April and has asked that until that time there be no public release of SDO images. |
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Post by Bob k6tr on Mar 24, 2010 20:48:55 GMT
I understand that's what you were told but when one is in risk aversion mode the dominant theme is "trust noone". Once everything is up and running there is no reason to withhold information. If NASA persists in this spirit the news media will take it as a challenge to find out. NASA was very public about the launch of this project. It is unreasonable to expect the news media to willingly accept NASA slamming shut the spigot because they want everything perfect before they release significant information to the public. As I said yesterday the info is out about the ground station losing lock with the satellite for a few minutes over the weelend. You may know thart's trivial, I may know that's trivial but the public at large has no what they are talking about. A pesty reporter can dig that up and blow it up. And when NASA has assumed the posture of withholding developments the public is left with ample suspicion to believe the news story. and THAT is why it is BAD policy to keep things under wraps [remember you agreed with them that it was good or at least understandable...]. From Phil Scherrer: The HMI aperture door was opened this morning and all looks quite well. The instrument is working with no known issues. The initial tuning and calibrations will take a few days then we will be able to study the planned series of observing 'framelists' to pick a 'final' one. SDO spacecraft commissioning continues to about the end of April at which time the SDO development team led by Liz Citrin at GSFC will hand the spacecraft over to the SDO Project Scientist, W. Dean Pesnell, for Phase-E - the science phase of the mission. NASA plans a "first light" press briefing in mid to late April and has asked that until that time there be no public release of SDO images. Leif what I said was it understandable NASA is giving an artificially delayed date for a release of images until they ascertained that everything was up and running. If they actually persist in this pursuit much beyond next week they are in for a rude iwakening. In mid-April Obama is scheduled for a visit to KSC with a big Press-Conference included. Anyone who hasn't been hermetically sealed in a cave knows that Obama will be given the reception on a par with General George Armstrong Custer at the Little Big Horn in light of the cancellation of the Constellation Program. And you can bet everyone in the media has their airlines and hotel rooms booked. That one will boil for days. If Goddard holds a Press Conference then they had better not expect more than a couple of High School Newspapers and the Greenbelt Gazette to attend. You did say the NASA-PR Department turned a blind eye to the complaint about usage of file footage. If thie announced policy regarding the release of SDO photos is carried out it is pretty clear there are systemic problems in NASA's PR Department. |
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Post by lsvalgaard on Mar 27, 2010 20:19:01 GMT
and THAT is why it is BAD policy to keep things under wraps [remember you agreed with them that it was good or at least understandable...]. From Phil Scherrer: The HMI aperture door was opened this morning and all looks quite well. The instrument is working with no known issues. The initial tuning and calibrations will take a few days then we will be able to study the planned series of observing 'framelists' to pick a 'final' one. SDO spacecraft commissioning continues to about the end of April at which time the SDO development team led by Liz Citrin at GSFC will hand the spacecraft over to the SDO Project Scientist, W. Dean Pesnell, for Phase-E - the science phase of the mission. NASA plans a "first light" press briefing in mid to late April and has asked that until that time there be no public release of SDO images. Leif what I said was it understandable NASA is giving an artificially delayed date for a release of images until they ascertained that everything was up and running. If they actually persist in this pursuit much beyond next week they are in for a rude iwakening. In mid-April Obama is scheduled for a visit to KSC with a big Press-Conference included. Anyone who hasn't been hermetically sealed in a cave knows that Obama will be given the reception on a par with General George Armstrong Custer at the Little Big Horn in light of the cancellation of the Constellation Program. And you can bet everyone in the media has their airlines and hotel rooms booked. That one will boil for days. If Goddard holds a Press Conference then they had better not expect more than a couple of High School Newspapers and the Greenbelt Gazette to attend. You did say the NASA-PR Department turned a blind eye to the complaint about usage of file footage. If thie announced policy regarding the release of SDO photos is carried out it is pretty clear there are systemic problems in NASA's PR Department. The late April date is FIRM [and they are stupid]. Here some good news: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SDO/AIA update Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:45:37 -0700 From: Karel Schrijver <schryver@lmsal.com> To: aia_sciteam@lmsal.com Dear colleagues, we just opened the four telescope doors on AIA and took the first images in each of the 10 channels. All channels are functional and all filters and windows survived launch. Even with warm CCDs we have good-looking images in most of the channels, showing good alignments from one telescope to the next, and with the telescopes near a good focus position. On Monday and Tuesday the detectors will go to their cold operational temperatures and we will be taking the telescopes through their focus range ... another update will follow once that is behind us. We are thrilled with the performance of the instrument thus far ... the wait over the next few days will not be easy. |
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Post by Bob k6tr on Mar 27, 2010 21:06:51 GMT
Leif what I said was it understandable NASA is giving an artificially delayed date for a release of images until they ascertained that everything was up and running. If they actually persist in this pursuit much beyond next week they are in for a rude iwakening. In mid-April Obama is scheduled for a visit to KSC with a big Press-Conference included. Anyone who hasn't been hermetically sealed in a cave knows that Obama will be given the reception on a par with General George Armstrong Custer at the Little Big Horn in light of the cancellation of the Constellation Program. And you can bet everyone in the media has their airlines and hotel rooms booked. That one will boil for days. If Goddard holds a Press Conference then they had better not expect more than a couple of High School Newspapers and the Greenbelt Gazette to attend. You did say the NASA-PR Department turned a blind eye to the complaint about usage of file footage. If thie announced policy regarding the release of SDO photos is carried out it is pretty clear there are systemic problems in NASA's PR Department. The late April date is FIRM [and they are stupid]. Here some good news: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SDO/AIA update Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:45:37 -0700 From: Karel Schrijver <schryver@lmsal.com> To: aia_sciteam@lmsal.com Dear colleagues, we just opened the four telescope doors on AIA and took the first images in each of the 10 channels. All channels are functional and all filters and windows survived launch. Even with warm CCDs we have good-looking images in most of the channels, showing good alignments from one telescope to the next, and with the telescopes near a good focus position. On Monday and Tuesday the detectors will go to their cold operational temperatures and we will be taking the telescopes through their focus range ... another update will follow once that is behind us. We are thrilled with the performance of the instrument thus far ... the wait over the next few days will not be easy. For more information people can go to : sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/mission/project/leostatus.phpLeif as to your comments what can I say ? This is what happens when the clerks start running the operation. What's galling is NASA's PR Department intent to make the public wait after NASA made SDO Team wait over a year to get a ride. They literally lost The Opportunity of the Century when SDO was left sitting on the ground last August during a month devoid of any Solar Activity. SSN of 1.7 and a Monthly Mean 0.0. Do you think Humanity will even be around the next time that occurs ? Had they swapped dates with LRO the June 18 2009 Launch would have been sufficient to launch and commission SDO in time to record data in August. But had they done that the launch of LRO/LCROSS would have very well been scratched as the Constellation Program would have been nixxed. This is why I have no love for the manned space program.  |
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Post by lsvalgaard on Mar 27, 2010 23:01:18 GMT
The late April date is FIRM [and they are stupid]. Here some good news: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SDO/AIA update Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:45:37 -0700 From: Karel Schrijver <schryver@lmsal.com> To: aia_sciteam@lmsal.com Dear colleagues, we just opened the four telescope doors on AIA and took the first images in each of the 10 channels. All channels are functional and all filters and windows survived launch. Even with warm CCDs we have good-looking images in most of the channels, showing good alignments from one telescope to the next, and with the telescopes near a good focus position. On Monday and Tuesday the detectors will go to their cold operational temperatures and we will be taking the telescopes through their focus range ... another update will follow once that is behind us. We are thrilled with the performance of the instrument thus far ... the wait over the next few days will not be easy. For more information people can go to : sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov/mission/project/leostatus.phpLeif as to your comments what can I say ? This is what happens when the clerks start running the operation. What's galling is NASA's PR Department intent to make the public wait after NASA made SDO Team wait over a year to get a ride. They literally lost The Opportunity of the Century when SDO was left sitting on the ground last August during a month devoid of any Solar Activity. SSN of 1.7 and a Monthly Mean 0.0. Do you think Humanity will even be around the next time that occurs ? Had they swapped dates with LRO the June 18 2009 Launch would have been sufficient to launch and commission SDO in time to record data in August. But had they done that the launch of LRO/LCROSS would have very well been scratched as the Constellation Program would have been nixxed. This is why I have no love for the manned space program. There is GREAT excitement in LIVE stuff. This is what the public [Joe Taxpayers] wants. This is how NASA could build excitement into this. They are just plain STUPID. Perhaps they got burned when they sent a spacecraft to impact the Moon to look for a water plume, and nothing could be seen. |
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Post by bluesky on Mar 30, 2010 1:55:06 GMT
There is GREAT excitement in LIVE stuff. This is what the public [Joe Taxpayers] wants. This is how NASA could build excitement into this. They are just plain STUPID. Perhaps they got burned when they sent a spacecraft to impact the Moon to look for a water plume, and nothing could be seen. I couldn't agree more, Leif. Geez we can get any streaming porn online we want but yet live solar views (that were obtained with generations of work and countless public dollars) keeps getting pushed back? Good luck keeping today's youth engaged w/stills.. Hell, even the models confuse the heck out of people, it's hard to make the connection.. The foundations aren't even really taught in high school.. And trust me, there's a *ton* of interest out there from layperson to expert and everywhere in between. This re-enforces ivory tower crap and is frankly an injustice to all the hard working people who busted their asses to get the damn bird up in the first place.. *end rant* |
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Post by ncfcadam on Mar 30, 2010 14:18:30 GMT
Indeed. Contrast with CERN today.
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Post by Bob k6tr on Mar 31, 2010 8:58:35 GMT
It sounds like NASA is have a pesky problem with one of the ground antennas maintaining lock on the satellite.
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Post by George Kominiak on Mar 31, 2010 13:17:24 GMT
It sounds like NASA is have a pesky problem with one of the ground antennas maintaining lock on the satellite. Hey Bob! Let's hope they can get it to behave before thunderstorm season comes to New Mexico!! G. |
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