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Post by AstroMet on Sept 11, 2011 20:35:39 GMT
Commonsense, I hope you noticed Astromet's precise predictions regarding the current solar maximum It will not reach its peak until 2015-17. Most other forcasts suggest 2013-14 and by 2016 the cycle should be well into decline If Astromet has got this one right we should all listen to him more often He has not given any estimate of the peak value other than the claim that it will be super-active Excuse me Neil, but perhaps you ought to actually read what I forecasted about the Sun's solar cycle #24 Maximum rather than making things up and putting words into my mouth. I have gotten more than the Sun's maximum right in my long-range forecasts. Whether or not you want to 'listen to me more often' is a personal matter for you. It has nothing to do with my previous forecasts, of which I have made many. Moreover Neil, you do not speak for 'everyone." In addition, you mentioned other solar forecasts, but did not say whose forecasts they were? If you are to compare my long-range solar maximum forecast to the forecasts of others, then cite the forecast sources of who made them and not merely saying it has been 'suggested....' What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Cite the forecast sources, thank you. Now, what Astromet forecasted regarding the Sun's maximum was - "In astrometeorology, the causes are known to be the activity of the Sun, and the magnetic modulating influences of the planets relative to the Earth. In 2009, there are astronomical conditions now building that strongly indicate that the Sun is about to emerge out of its minima state it entered in 2006."
The resulting increased sunspot activity signals that a warming of the Humboldt Current is about to begin in earnest as the Earth arrives at perihelion (orbits closer to the Sun) in early January 2010."I forecasted that, "I have calculated that by the time Jupiter emerges from the far side of the Sun on February 28, 2010, that the Sun will officially begin to increase and multiply its sunspot development for its new solar maximum cycle with additional coronal mass ejections through 2010 and 2011."I also said, "I also expect this new Solar maximum cycle to grow stronger into the early-to-mid-2010s, which will mean a very active several years of climate changes, featuring intense weather patterns on the Earth. This will be an historic solar maximum lasting to about the year 2015-16 - three years longer than expected by most scientists."In the same forecast, I also said that, "I expect the Sun's new maximum to close on its cycle with a very active series of sunspot activity to rival many previous maximums and cause the Earth's climate to react powerfully between 2010 through to the year 2016."As for 'peak value' - that is very difficult to ascertain, so I will not give an estimate exact peak value number. In fact, you will find that no one will, including NASA, as that would be impossible. |
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 11, 2011 23:53:32 GMT
Icefisher, Thank you. I was a commercial fisherman for 17 years down here in Texas as was my father before me so I have a good deal of contacts with some of the old-timers. But you are correct, it is a dying industry and much of the folklore already has been lost. Hopefully my book will preserve some of the old saying and knowledge.
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 11, 2011 23:58:21 GMT
Astromet, thanks for the offer. I am definitely going to need help with my chapter on some of the basic astrological forecasting that were once commonly used by the fishermen and farmers of the bygone era.
Any help with basic reading materials would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 12, 2011 0:21:53 GMT
Commonsense, Up until the last 30 years or so the majority of commercial fishermen were small mom and pop small business people. Nowadays the factory trawler with all of its high tech fish finding devices and weather instrumentation has taken much of the "skill" out of it.
"Red sky in the morning" is something many of the younger generation have never heard.
Hopefully my book will preserve some of knowledge from prior generations.
The hard part for me is trying to find rational explanations or a scientific link for some of the sayings. It has been my experience that when an old farmer or fisherman points out a sign in nature more often than not he is correct. For example changes in the ENSO, QBO, AMO and other oscillations and weather patterns may cause insects to migrate further from the ground and thus spiders build their webs higher in trees. It is just an example but I suspect there is some factual information behind the old folklore.
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Post by icefisher on Sept 12, 2011 0:39:08 GMT
"Red sky in the morning" is something many of the younger generation have never heard.
Thats probably the first thing I heard from one of those old timers I used to know, RIP.
Red sky at night, sailor take delight! Red sky at morning, sailor take warning!
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Post by AstroMet on Sept 12, 2011 0:58:11 GMT
Commonsense, Up until the last 30 years or so the majority of commercial fishermen were small mom and pop small business people. Nowadays the factory trawler with all of its high tech fish finding devices and weather instrumentation has taken much of the "skill" out of it. "Red sky in the morning" is something many of the younger generation have never heard. Hopefully my book will preserve some of knowledge from prior generations. The hard part for me is trying to find rational explanations or a scientific link for some of the sayings. It has been my experience that when an old farmer or fisherman points out a sign in nature more often than not he is correct. For example changes in the ENSO, QBO, AMO and other oscillations and weather patterns may cause insects to migrate further from the ground and thus spiders build their webs higher in trees. It is just an example but I suspect there is some factual information behind the old folklore. Hi Glenn, A few posts back, you will see a link I left on Bruce Scofield's dissertation on Astrometeorology. A History And Test Of Planetary Weather Forecasting -> -> scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1235&context=open_access_dissertationsIt will be a great help for you, as it will assist you on your book. As for the Old timer sayings - Most of their weather sayings are useful since previous generations worked more outdoors and so were more attuned to nature than those today, who more than often don't even look up, much less pay close attention to nature itself. Technology has its drawbacks and when the lights go out it is often the people who have experience in the natural world who do best and are relied on for survival. Try not to forget that. My training in Natural Astrology during my classical studies included observations of the natural world, which added tremendously to my early training years. It is essential when practicing climatology/meteorology to have hands on experience in the real world of weather. Too many people intellectualize and rationalize to the point of being bone dumb about the natural world that they inhabit. We lose farmers, for instance, and game over. People cannot eat their iPods. Many of the sayings have been preserved and written down. You will find them not only online, but in books, magazines and periodicals stretching to the 1980s. Look for them and you will find them. As for 'rational explanations' or a 'scientific link' for some of the sayings, I'm sure you will discover these as well. However, one must remember that science is always in the process of discovering and re-discovering (often people forget this) so even if you cannot find a 'rational' explanation for something at the time does not make it any less valid. Often, one will come, or the subject has not yet been broached. There isn't a need to dismiss anything because there has not been a rational explanation for it as often, the mystery itself may not have been fully explored. So one cannot judge whatever it may be simply because there has not been a scientific reason yet given for it. |
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 12, 2011 5:10:17 GMT
Astromet, thanks for the link. I am in the process of reading it now.
As far as finding a scientific link and or rational explanation to all of the weather lore, I don't expect to. I'm just hoping to leave the common reader with enough information that they will think it is at least probable if not plausible. Michael Crichton 's novels were fiction but there was enough fact in them to leave the reader thinking it may not be true but it's not far fetched.
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Post by neilhamp on Sept 12, 2011 7:20:51 GMT
Sorry Astromet if I missrepresented your position in any way
This was not intended
The following statement which you have kindly reproduced for us all is the one which I thought to be out of step with "other forcasts".
"I also expect this new Solar maximum cycle to grow stronger into the early-to-mid-2010s, which will mean a very active several years of climate changes, featuring intense weather patterns on the Earth. This will be an historic solar maximum lasting to about the year 2015-16 - three years longer than expected by most scientists."
I apologise for not boring everyone by quoting sources of "other forcasts" , but I think we must be in agreement on these "unquoted sources" because I notice you yourself state that your forcast extended maximum to 2015-16 will be three years longer than that expected by "most scientists".
I am now almost 70 years old let us hope that I continue to benefit from the bonus years beyond my allotted "three score years and ten" to witness the decline of the current solar cycle.
At the risk of repeating myself and hopefully not causing offence. If "other scientists" (sources not quoted) are right I was expecting to see the cycle to peak in 2013-14 and decline thereafter. If you are right I will have to wait through until 2016 before we see any significant reduction in solar activity.
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Post by AstroMet on Sept 12, 2011 18:39:51 GMT
Sorry Astromet if I missrepresented your position in any way This was not intended The following statement which you have kindly reproduced for us all is the one which I thought to be out of step with "other forcasts". "I also expect this new Solar maximum cycle to grow stronger into the early-to-mid-2010s, which will mean a very active several years of climate changes, featuring intense weather patterns on the Earth. This will be an historic solar maximum lasting to about the year 2015-16 - three years longer than expected by most scientists." I apologise for not boring everyone by quoting sources of "other forcasts" , but I think we must be in agreement on these "unquoted sources" because I notice you yourself state that your forcast extended maximum to 2015-16 will be three years longer than that expected by "most scientists". I am now almost 70 years old let us hope that I continue to benefit from the bonus years beyond my allotted "three score years and ten" to witness the decline of the current solar cycle. At the risk of repeating myself and hopefully not causing offence. If "other scientists" (sources not quoted) are right I was expecting to see the cycle to peak in 2013-14 and decline thereafter. If you are right I will have to wait through until 2016 before we see any significant reduction in solar activity. That's okay Neil; however there is enough nickel-and-diming of climate science to go around. I don't like to see it with my long-range forecasts since they are produced as a public service to give people a long-range heads up on potential climate conditions in the real world. As for waiting for 2016 to see a reduction in solar maximum activity, well that's what I expect you will just have to do. The Sun waits for no one and does what it does according to the laws of planetary motion that rule our solar system. |
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Post by AstroMet on Sept 13, 2011 1:20:46 GMT
This is not surprising, as I had said many times over the past two years that this ENSO would be a record-breaker And, of course, you were 100% wrong. "Record-breaker" is rather specific a claim, and it has been completely refuted. www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/This, once again shows how clueless some are to the realities of the climate and the record-breaking years under ENSO that the world has recently experienced, despite uninformed opinions to the contrary. The count of all the damages is still being tabulated, as I forecasted ~ The U.S. Continues To Count the Costs of nine months of Unprecedented Weather ExtremesAccording to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric administration, there have been 10 major disasters this yearThe Guardian -- September 5, 2011 As deadly fires continue to burn across bone-dry Texas and eight inches of rain from tropical storm Lee falls on New Orleans, the United States is beginning to count the cost of nine months of unprecedented weather extremes.
Ever since a massive blizzard causing $2bn of damage paralysed cities from Chicago to the north-east in January, nearly every month has been marked by a $1b+ weather catastrophe.
According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric administration (NOAA) there have been 10 major disasters already this year, leaving more than 700 people dead and property damage of over $35bn (£22bn).
In the past 31 years the mainland states have suffered 99 weather-related disasters where overall damages and economic costs were over $1bn.
This year has seen three times as many than as usual.
NOAA will release its August data next week but Summer 2011 is expected to be the warmest on record. Chris Burt, author and leading weather historian, has complied a list of more than 40 cities and towns that have experienced record temperatures this year.
"So many heat records of various types have been shattered this past summer that it is impossible to quantify them," he said.
"Not since the great heat waves of 1934 and 1936 has the US seen so many heat-related records broken as occurred this summer. The back-to-back nature of the intensity of the past two summers should raise some interesting questions, questions I am not qualified to address."
This year, the UN World Meteorological Organisation said 2010 was the warmest year on record, confirming a "significant" long-term trend of global warming and producing exceptional weather variations.
The insurance company Munich Re said in the first six months of the year there were 98 natural disasters in the US, about double the average of the 1990s.
"The increasing impacts of natural disasters, as seen this year, are a stark reminder of the lives and livelihoods at risk. Severe weather represents a very real threat to public safety," said Jack Hayes, director of Noaa's National Weather Service.
But the U.S. is not alone. 2011 has seen the deepest drought in 60 years in the Horn of Africa which has contributed to a famine in Somalia and 10 million people affected in Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Uganda. Southern Africa, however, experienced unusually heavy rainfall.
Latin America has suffered a series of disasters. More than 500 people died in some of Brazil's worst rainstorms and mudslides in January, and Columbia faced what it called its worst-ever natural disaster when months of rain and floods devastated the north of the country.
Meanwhile Mexico and much of central America experienced one of their deepest droughts in many years.
Korea, the Philippines, parts of China have been racked with some of the worst storms in a century, with flash floods and landslides triggered by torrential rain .
2011 has also seen a series of major non-weather-related natural disasters. The worst, by some way, was the Japanese tsunami which killed at least 12,000 people and devastated the country.
However, 6.2 or above earthquakes have hit New Zealand, the Philippines, Japan, the Fox Islands, Papua New Guinea, Mexico, Indonesia, Fiji, Thailand, Burma, Vanuatu, Argentina, Chile and Iran in the first six months of 2011.
Smaller ones have hit Pakistan, Tajikistan, Tonga, and the Solomon Islands.A Year of US disasters – 2011 so far and counting...
• Hurricane Irene, August 20-29. Over $7bn and around 50 deaths.
• Upper Midwest flooding. The Missouri and Souris rivers overflowed in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri. Damages: $2bn.
• Mississippi river flooding, spring and summer. Damages neared $4bn.
• Drought and heatwave in Texas, Oklahoma. Over $5bn.
• Tornadoes in midwest and south-east in May kill 177 and cost more than $7bn in losses.
• Tornadoes in the Ohio Valley, south-east and midwest on April devastate the city of Tuscaloosa, kill 32 and cause more than $9bn in damages.
• Tornadoes hit from Oklahoma to Pennsylvania 14–16 April. Toll: $2bn in damages.
• 59 tornadoes in midwest and north-east April 8-11. Damages: $2.2bn.
• 46 tornadoes in central and southern states 4 and 5 April. Toll: $2.3bn in damages.
• Blizzard late January paralyse cities from Chicago to the north-east. Toll: 36 deaths and more than $2bn in damages. |
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Post by commonsense on Sept 13, 2011 21:55:08 GMT
This, once again shows how clueless some are to the realities of the climate and the record-breaking years under ENSO that the world has recently experienced, despite uninformed opinions to the contrary. The count of all the damages is still being tabulated, as I forecasted ~ The U.S. Continues To Count the Costs of nine months of Unprecedented Weather ExtremesAccording to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric administration, there have been 10 major disasters this yearThe Guardian -- September 5, 2011 As deadly fires continue to burn across bone-dry Texas and eight inches of rain from tropical storm Lee falls on New Orleans, the United States is beginning to count the cost of nine months of unprecedented weather extremes.
Ever since a massive blizzard causing $2bn of damage paralysed cities from Chicago to the north-east in January, nearly every month has been marked by a $1b+ weather catastrophe.
According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric administration (NOAA) there have been 10 major disasters already this year, leaving more than 700 people dead and property damage of over $35bn (£22bn).
In the past 31 years the mainland states have suffered 99 weather-related disasters where overall damages and economic costs were over $1bn.
This year has seen three times as many than as usual.
NOAA will release its August data next week but Summer 2011 is expected to be the warmest on record. Chris Burt, author and leading weather historian, has complied a list of more than 40 cities and towns that have experienced record temperatures this year.
"So many heat records of various types have been shattered this past summer that it is impossible to quantify them," he said.
"Not since the great heat waves of 1934 and 1936 has the US seen so many heat-related records broken as occurred this summer. The back-to-back nature of the intensity of the past two summers should raise some interesting questions, questions I am not qualified to address."
This year, the UN World Meteorological Organisation said 2010 was the warmest year on record, confirming a "significant" long-term trend of global warming and producing exceptional weather variations.
The insurance company Munich Re said in the first six months of the year there were 98 natural disasters in the US, about double the average of the 1990s.
"The increasing impacts of natural disasters, as seen this year, are a stark reminder of the lives and livelihoods at risk. Severe weather represents a very real threat to public safety," said Jack Hayes, director of Noaa's National Weather Service.
But the U.S. is not alone. 2011 has seen the deepest drought in 60 years in the Horn of Africa which has contributed to a famine in Somalia and 10 million people affected in Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Uganda. Southern Africa, however, experienced unusually heavy rainfall.
Latin America has suffered a series of disasters. More than 500 people died in some of Brazil's worst rainstorms and mudslides in January, and Columbia faced what it called its worst-ever natural disaster when months of rain and floods devastated the north of the country.
Meanwhile Mexico and much of central America experienced one of their deepest droughts in many years.
Korea, the Philippines, parts of China have been racked with some of the worst storms in a century, with flash floods and landslides triggered by torrential rain .
2011 has also seen a series of major non-weather-related natural disasters. The worst, by some way, was the Japanese tsunami which killed at least 12,000 people and devastated the country.
However, 6.2 or above earthquakes have hit New Zealand, the Philippines, Japan, the Fox Islands, Papua New Guinea, Mexico, Indonesia, Fiji, Thailand, Burma, Vanuatu, Argentina, Chile and Iran in the first six months of 2011.
Smaller ones have hit Pakistan, Tajikistan, Tonga, and the Solomon Islands.A Year of US disasters – 2011 so far and counting...
• Hurricane Irene, August 20-29. Over $7bn and around 50 deaths.
• Upper Midwest flooding. The Missouri and Souris rivers overflowed in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri. Damages: $2bn.
• Mississippi river flooding, spring and summer. Damages neared $4bn.
• Drought and heatwave in Texas, Oklahoma. Over $5bn.
• Tornadoes in midwest and south-east in May kill 177 and cost more than $7bn in losses.
• Tornadoes in the Ohio Valley, south-east and midwest on April devastate the city of Tuscaloosa, kill 32 and cause more than $9bn in damages.
• Tornadoes hit from Oklahoma to Pennsylvania 14–16 April. Toll: $2bn in damages.
• 59 tornadoes in midwest and north-east April 8-11. Damages: $2.2bn.
• 46 tornadoes in central and southern states 4 and 5 April. Toll: $2.3bn in damages.
• Blizzard late January paralyse cities from Chicago to the north-east. Toll: 36 deaths and more than $2bn in damages.So now you want to pretend you were forecasting damage? Since you are obviously not adverse to spouting volumes of verbage, I wonder why you didn't mention damage in your forecast? You do try to dance and dodge your way out of your obvious errors and mistakes. I suppose it takes all kinds. I plainly note that you forecast that 2010-2011 would be a very strong El Nino year. I've yet to hear you admit that that prediction was a total failure. You should grow up and admit your mistakes and give an explanation as to why it happened. |
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Post by AstroMet on Sept 14, 2011 0:29:13 GMT
This, once again shows how clueless some are to the realities of the climate and the record-breaking years under ENSO that the world has recently experienced, despite uninformed opinions to the contrary. The count of all the damages is still being tabulated, as I forecasted ~ The U.S. Continues To Count the Costs of nine months of Unprecedented Weather ExtremesAccording to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric administration, there have been 10 major disasters this yearThe Guardian -- September 5, 2011 As deadly fires continue to burn across bone-dry Texas and eight inches of rain from tropical storm Lee falls on New Orleans, the United States is beginning to count the cost of nine months of unprecedented weather extremes.
Ever since a massive blizzard causing $2bn of damage paralysed cities from Chicago to the north-east in January, nearly every month has been marked by a $1b+ weather catastrophe.
According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric administration (NOAA) there have been 10 major disasters already this year, leaving more than 700 people dead and property damage of over $35bn (£22bn).
In the past 31 years the mainland states have suffered 99 weather-related disasters where overall damages and economic costs were over $1bn.
This year has seen three times as many than as usual.
NOAA will release its August data next week but Summer 2011 is expected to be the warmest on record. Chris Burt, author and leading weather historian, has complied a list of more than 40 cities and towns that have experienced record temperatures this year.
"So many heat records of various types have been shattered this past summer that it is impossible to quantify them," he said.
"Not since the great heat waves of 1934 and 1936 has the US seen so many heat-related records broken as occurred this summer. The back-to-back nature of the intensity of the past two summers should raise some interesting questions, questions I am not qualified to address."
This year, the UN World Meteorological Organisation said 2010 was the warmest year on record, confirming a "significant" long-term trend of global warming and producing exceptional weather variations.
The insurance company Munich Re said in the first six months of the year there were 98 natural disasters in the US, about double the average of the 1990s.
"The increasing impacts of natural disasters, as seen this year, are a stark reminder of the lives and livelihoods at risk. Severe weather represents a very real threat to public safety," said Jack Hayes, director of Noaa's National Weather Service.
But the U.S. is not alone. 2011 has seen the deepest drought in 60 years in the Horn of Africa which has contributed to a famine in Somalia and 10 million people affected in Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Uganda. Southern Africa, however, experienced unusually heavy rainfall.
Latin America has suffered a series of disasters. More than 500 people died in some of Brazil's worst rainstorms and mudslides in January, and Columbia faced what it called its worst-ever natural disaster when months of rain and floods devastated the north of the country.
Meanwhile Mexico and much of central America experienced one of their deepest droughts in many years.
Korea, the Philippines, parts of China have been racked with some of the worst storms in a century, with flash floods and landslides triggered by torrential rain .
2011 has also seen a series of major non-weather-related natural disasters. The worst, by some way, was the Japanese tsunami which killed at least 12,000 people and devastated the country.
However, 6.2 or above earthquakes have hit New Zealand, the Philippines, Japan, the Fox Islands, Papua New Guinea, Mexico, Indonesia, Fiji, Thailand, Burma, Vanuatu, Argentina, Chile and Iran in the first six months of 2011.
Smaller ones have hit Pakistan, Tajikistan, Tonga, and the Solomon Islands.A Year of US disasters – 2011 so far and counting...
• Hurricane Irene, August 20-29. Over $7bn and around 50 deaths.
• Upper Midwest flooding. The Missouri and Souris rivers overflowed in Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas and Missouri. Damages: $2bn.
• Mississippi river flooding, spring and summer. Damages neared $4bn.
• Drought and heatwave in Texas, Oklahoma. Over $5bn.
• Tornadoes in midwest and south-east in May kill 177 and cost more than $7bn in losses.
• Tornadoes in the Ohio Valley, south-east and midwest on April devastate the city of Tuscaloosa, kill 32 and cause more than $9bn in damages.
• Tornadoes hit from Oklahoma to Pennsylvania 14–16 April. Toll: $2bn in damages.
• 59 tornadoes in midwest and north-east April 8-11. Damages: $2.2bn.
• 46 tornadoes in central and southern states 4 and 5 April. Toll: $2.3bn in damages.
• Blizzard late January paralyse cities from Chicago to the north-east. Toll: 36 deaths and more than $2bn in damages.So now you want to pretend you were forecasting damage? Since you are obviously not adverse to spouting volumes of verbage, I wonder why you didn't mention damage in your forecast? You do try to dance and dodge your way out of your obvious errors and mistakes. I suppose it takes all kinds. I plainly note that you forecast that 2010-2011 would be a very strong El Nino year. I've yet to hear you admit that that prediction was a total failure. You should grow up and admit your mistakes and give an explanation as to why it happened. Whoa there bro... for one you still don't want to read what is there, but read whatever you want into anything. Making things up as you go with your 'total failures' and telling everyone who does not agree with you that they are 'wrong.' What is it with you? Weren't you the one who said that the damage from ENSO was all but counted up? I mean, what is it going to be? You can't have your cake and eat it too common sense. |
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Post by handyman on Sept 14, 2011 22:02:53 GMT
but then there are these weirder events, almost as if another factor is at hand, something unnatural almost, deeper down - at the earth's crust, mingling with the atmosphere, which shows up in these wacky weather events straight out of left field. I've been monitoring these events and calculating how many times they show up (which has been a lot) and I think I've got a handle on them. But boy, are there some strange magnetic anomalies about, really weird signals. Some possibilities I've been reading about as per the cause of the 'extra effects' are just all over the place. They range from secret government HAARP experiments, cloud seeding, weather modification, chemtrails, aliens, angels, demons, Satan, God, global warming, climate change, terrorism from within and without, bomb explosions deep in the earth, Illuminati, post-glacial rebound effect, weak sun, strong sun, even global warfare on a new, unknown scale, etc., etc. There are so many I've lost track of them all. About the time you posted your original long-range forecast for 2009-2011 is when I was just getting interested in this, and started my own hobbyist research. Seeing how your forecast was mostly correct (with the exception of a bit of misunderstanding which year you were referring to when you mentioned the winter season), I would say there are even other factors at hand. The seeming severity of a few of the tornadoes was just incredible, even the EF-4's. All these tornadoes seemed to come down Main Street and take down small towns and good portions of larger towns in one huff. It may not be their strength, but the location of their destruction paths that is really interesting. And who knows how much exaggeration the media has put on this...we can see that it was the case with Irene (as there seems to be no evidence it ever reached hurricane strength as it approached land and thereafter). But yet, we hear all the stories of the drastic flooding, extended power outages, etc. The destruction is certainly there. There have even been reports in various places of "groaning" sounds from within the earth (see Windsor, Canada, for one example). These may or may not be associated with tremors. theextinctionprotocol.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/mystery-deepens-behind-windsor-unusual-rumbling-noise/IMHO, I believe that these are part of the signs the Bible says to look for just before Jesus returns. But if you have other ideas, I'd certainly like to hear them, rapture or not! |
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Post by glennkoks on Sept 15, 2011 0:58:45 GMT
Handyman, I do not think this has anything to do with rapture. There are many natural cyclical climate patterns and oscillations like the AMO, PDO and ENSO that lead to natural warming and cooling. Since about 1980 for the most part we have had a "warm" PDO and a "warm" AMO which has probably helped contribute to the warm cycle we have been in. These patterns are starting to change, the PDO has turned negative and the AMO is probably five years or so away from turning negative as well which will probably lead to global cooling.
The switch from warming to cooling is not an easy transition. The tornado outbreaks occur because of warm air flowing from the gulf meets cold air from northern latitudes. The clash can become very violent. Now imagine that on a global scale when a very warm earth due to natural cycles starts to cool. The clashes are bigger and more violent.
We have decent records of the violent transition from the medieval warm period into the little ice age and the turbulent weather that was a prelude to the little ice age. Apparently there is a increase in extremes during such regime changes. More severe droughts, floods, heat waves, cold spells and blizzards.
So one could with some accuracy say that the crazy worldwide weather we have seen the last several years is the beginning of a change in overall temperature and precipitation patterns.
Then again it just may be crazy weather.
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Post by codetalker on Sept 15, 2011 15:04:08 GMT
For the love Riley...Let's keep deities out of this forum!
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