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Post by bxs on Jan 15, 2010 11:35:00 GMT
I am going to go out on a limb here, and presume that you were born in the US. Which means, you got your citizenship with the first breath of air. I had to take the citizenship test, where they ask you a whole bunch of questions about American history, that most Born Americans have no idea about, and probably never will. But it would do you some good to learn about your country, US history is very interesting. But here is an excerpt from a pretty good summary. I was born in the US, However; my wife was not. I helped her study for her naturalization exam. I knew the history she had to learn to earn her citizenship.Good try with the condescnetion, though. I know it fits with the stereotype that those of us who were born in the US are ignorant ... but maybe it doesn't always fit. No, not always, that's why i enlarged some of the words this time, those are usually used when one is uncertain and needs to leave room for interpretation or mistakes, just in case he might be incorect. I do find certain stereotypes are correct the majority of the time, at least in my experiences. A stereotype is a commonly held public belief about specific social groups, or types of individuals. The concepts of "stereotype" and "prejudice" are often confused with many other different meanings. Stereotypes are standardized and simplified conceptions of groups, based on some prior assumptions.The modern economy, driven by the need to make an increasing profit, has turned these natural processes of development into something plotted and planned. In the decade and a half following the end of the Second World War, business and political leaders worked tirelessly to promote consumption as a means to maintain economic growth. Business leaders worked tirelessly to earn a profit. It's pretty simple. That's what a business is about, profit, there is absolutely no argument there, even if they did do the planned obsolescence. Before we even go there ... I spend as much time thinking for myself as I do reading someone else's opinion. Although the following opinion may be interesting, the fact that it is written gives it no more weight than any opinion I write. You really need to learn the difference between presenting facts and presenting opinions. 2+2 = 4 is a fact. What you have presented is opinion - nothing more. There is a big difference. I would have to take a burn on this, i did jump the gun there. Her video is on PBS, i assumed they did their fact checking, they are usualy on point. I was wrong, but this, should rectify it, its the debunking of the video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5uJgG05xUY&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=0A2E95A671030238Yeh you would defiantly enjoy it. Also brings us right back around to the original topic of the thread, at least some good came out of my screw up. The public education system in the US is a joke, and it's not a funny joke either. Most of the emphasis in the American schools, is on social interaction and confidence. You can be dumber than a tree stump, but as long as you project confidence and show up for class, all is overlooked. This is an example of demagoguery and stereotyping. Call it what you will, I stand by that particular statement. abcnews.go.com/2020/Stossel/story?id=1500338Also my earlier screw up only reinforces that statement, as her video is shown in schools, and broadcast on PBS to kids. What college will a score of 200 gain you acceptance in to? Hopefully none. It is interesting that although we point to Asia as producing so many top quality engineers, many from there are coming to the US to complete education. I know this first hand because of my involvement in the Korean Culture in America (Now you know where my wife is from. I also lived there 4 1/2 years.) I wasn't talking about colleges, I was talking about regular public schools. Minus select few, such as The Bronx HS of Science, Stuyvesant HS, and Brooklyn Tech, 26,000 apply every year only about a 1000 get in. There are about 7 schools like that throughout the whole country. US Ivy league colleges are top notch and world renowned, most Americans there, come from Private schools. I went to Bronx Science. And apparently its still about the same make up. about 60% are immigrants, probably more... Back in 1990s there was no attempt to diversify, it was probably 70% Asian, back then it didn't matter what you were, if you were stupid, you didn't make the cut. giftedexchange.blogspot.com/2008/11/too-many-asian-kids.htmlYes, scoring was adjusted during the Clinton years, so scores now do not equal scores before then, but do you think colleges such as Stanford and Berkely haven't figured that out? So what does it mean? I think they add on a couple hundred points. English is not needed for math. However; your claim about being able to teach math in Jr. High is just hyberbole and bragging. I'm sure it's real to you, though. It was real, and as I said before, I wasn't the only one. got = received. She was just an example because she was so proud of it, but completely lacked the common sense to solve the problem in front of her. She is not put out as being representative of Ph. D's from Russia, Can't comment on that particular case, but I've seen a couple of real nice PhD diplomas, they used to run about $5000 when USSR fell apart. Came with news paper clippings of the recipient and great reference letters, didn't come with a brain though. Not saying she got one of those $5k diplomas, hers might be legit. I just thought it was funny because she came to mind immediately when I started reading your thread about how average where you came from was so exceptional when placed against all those ignorant American kids. You know.... that is funny, I cant seem to find, where I referred to ALL American kids, as ignorant. I don't read it there. Definitions of Conspiracy on the Web: * a secret agreement between two or more people to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose The key word being "Secret", if people know about it, its not a conspiracy. Where in the definition you gave does it say that if people know about it, it's not conspiracy? I don't read it there. The word SECRET, and no, i will not paste the definition for secret. But when I read about how some group behind the scenes is planning together for obsolescence, and molding the culture for consumerism, etc. I never said anything about a group behind the scenes? I did quote her statement without fact checking it completely first, I will give you that, though she didn't say anything about a conspiracy. I would love to see where I supposedly accused someone of a conspiracy. then I see two or more people agreeing and planning together for a harmful purpose. Conspiracy theories are all over the place. I've heard a few hundred in my days (Believe it or not, we ignorant Americans learn quite a bit from our experience). In a nutshell, I say BS. That's not what's going on. It's all in your mind ... and in the minds of a few people you are reading and quoting without thinking through. 1st you try to put words in my mouth, and now you presume you know whats in my head. There's that social confidence i mentioned earlier, i think i will plagiarize one of your words, demagoguery, just rolls off the tongue. Whether you do or do not, believe in obsolescence and consumerism, they are and have been business tactics, like the manufactured "Hallmark holly-days", fathers/mothers day comes to mind.(they were not created by hallmark, just dubbed with the company name) |
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Post by slh1234 on Jan 15, 2010 22:02:21 GMT
I was not so clear in my initial response to you when I asked what you were trying to prove. Then I changed my approach on the next sentence to address it directly instead of drawing out the irony I saw in your original post. That didn't help clarity. What I should have done was use an axiom like "Look at the pot call the kettle black." Let me return to portions of that post, and this time, I'll stick to what I thought was ironic. Keep in mind the original post was an article equating belief in AGW with a religion (Something I really don't like even though I am skeptical). From that beginning: I grew up in the USSR, my parents moved to the States when I turned 13. Contrary to popular belief, USSR was not "communist". It was a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" aka the working class, so farmers there were like serfs, even after the revolution. The Russian Empire, was the last major World player to officially end slavery (serfdom) in 1904. Lenin who was the first leader of the USSR, was actually a German spy, tasked with removing the Russian Empire from WWI, as a spy he did his job perfectly, and in 1917 managed to throw world relations into chaos for the next 80 years. First of all, I'm not sure Emperor Palpatine could have pulled that off, much less a post war Germany. They chose Russia's revolutionary leader? Okay, let's leave that one a lone, that's not really where the irony is ... The reason for the history lesson  . Before WWI, the masses were easily controlled, due to superstition and lack of basic science knowledge. After WWI, every self respecting country began educating the masses. You were once in darkness, but you were saved from that darkness. By the 1950's the ruling elite realized that if they continued to educate the general populace, they would lose much of the control they enjoyed for generations. Okay, we're getting there. Now we know who the devil is, and you can bet that the devil will be out to decieve the masses. And here we have the devil's deception, and if we fall for it, we will fall into sin. Before those 2 things were implemented country-wide in the US, Americans were a lot smarter, they at least didn't need a calculator to see how much change one should get after a 43 cent purchase out of a dollar. Of course, we don't know how you know that, but then again, we never know how a prophet knows what he knows, do we? All we know is that now, the prophet tells us we have FALLEN! I only completed 4 grades in the USSR, and was just an average math student. Due to immigration process, I missed a whole school year. Yet, when we finally came to the US in 1990, i was placed into 8th grade, due to my "exceptional"(sarcasm) knowledge of mathematics. See how much we have fallen? See what we have lost by following our ways of sin? It seems that, in only roughly 30 years(1960-1990), the US has largely transformed from a country of "Smart Hard Working Entrepreneurs - Producers" into " Consumer Drones". The word "Consumer" from "Consume", originally meant "to waste away" or "Squander" and was used as an insult, to label useless individuals, aka non-producers. Really? Is that what "Consumerism" meant in the original language in which this was all defined? We would never have known that without a prophet to spell it all out for us. Good thing we had you here to tell us how to properly interpret that. How blinded we all were in the deception of that ruling class devil! Obviously, you, O prophet have not been affected by this. You maintain your virtue and purity. You have not fallen into the sin of consumerism that has condemned us all to this pitiful plight. Whatever shall we do? As a "Consumer" nation, we have largely become so mentally lazy, that most people only respond to sensationalism and hype. Hell, 70% don't mind being force-fed any BS, as long as it glitters, got pretty graphics, and presented by a fashionable charismatic persona. Save us, great prophet! What are we average Americans to do to save ourselves from this? (And please, give us a sensational and flashy answer full of hype ... you know how weak we are.) As it is today, an average person in the U.S., PRODUCES roughly 4.39 pounds of trash per day, most of which, is not recyclable, and even if some of it is, there is a lot more waste produced during the "recycling" process. See the link below. www.pbs.org/now/enterprisingideas/blog/2008/08/And this is where the whole Climategate, was supposed to play a major role, an ingenious scheme to levy more taxes and waste more of your time and energy with useless things. www.carbontax.org/That nasty ole devil. (Here, there may have been some truth, but not at the level you are leading us to believe) Cause, God forbid, you might do something productive with your time and money. Then all hell breaks loose; you might miss the next hot commercial that will call you stupid, for not running and buying some crap, that you'd probably never use anyway. Forgive us! We have sinned. Oh, smite us no more with your words of damnation? What shall we do to be saved? Is there no hope? The only consolation we have, is that much of the rest of the world is promptly running in the same direction, so we might possibly turn this unfortunate scenario around; before the movie "Idiocracy" becomes a reality. Oh! Thank God! There IS hope! It's not much, but there is hope! Now, it's time for us to take action! Let us escape the plight that is rightfully ours! Do you understand what I'm saying is ironic, now? If you want to continue, I can address the absolute untruth about the state of schools in another post. |
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Post by stranger on Jan 15, 2010 22:15:25 GMT
SLH is outgunned. I was around during the post WWII era and the US had not properly recovered from the credit balloon that caused the Depression. There was a lot of talk about "we got to get the economy moving," etc. One big thing was the new seven to nine year life cycle for home appliances.
The old monitor top "ice boxes" from the early 1920's were still going strong, just needing a new set of compressor seals and a shot of sulfur dioxide every twenty years or so. That was too long to suit Powel Crosley and others in the industry.
The new "frigidairs" started hitting the stores in 1948 - and of course all the Levittowns that sprang up needed new appliances. Those appliances started hitting the dumps just about the time Chevy came out with a V8. By 1960 they were gone. The same with TV's.
1950's Wally Cox boxes had a practical life cycle of six years, and by 1956 the 9" plus magnifier screens had ballooned to 21". Dagmar was not as sharp but her assets were more prominent.
Except for automobiles, which started coming with air and oil filters (and heaters and radios!) that greatly extended their service life, virtually every consumer product has a much reduced design lifespan compared to similar products from the 1920's. The home appliance industry depends on it. Particularly in times like these when house prices are far above the "two years salary max" that a working man can reasonably depend on paying for.
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Post by bxs on Jan 16, 2010 0:04:08 GMT
WoooHoooo, i got back up  First of all, I'm not sure Emperor Palpatine could have pulled that off, much less a post war Germany. They chose Russia's revolutionary leader? Okay, let's leave that one a lone, that's not really where the irony is ... He didn't do it single handed, he just got the credit for it. Alexander Kerensky and Stalin, did most of the work. Lenin kept going back and forth from Russia to Germany, his brother tried to kill the Tzar, and got the noose. It was complicated. If you want to continue, I can address the absolute untruth about the state of schools in another post. Yes I do. About the schools. ------------------------------------------------ And as far as consumerism and obsolesce .... Ford/Mazda where some models utilized the same parts/styles with different names on the vehicles. www.helium.com/items/704028-imports-vs-north-american-carsWe are in the global market, we cant just back out, but i think we as a country should start focusing on our self with a bit more self respect. Don't get me wrong, I love this country, I didn't have a country to call home for 8 years, and USA took us in, and treated us much better than USSR ever did, at least there was water 24/7 including hot water! That is still a luxury over there, to this day. We all know this country was built on the backs of immigrants, and to this day most immigrants do work, that a lot of 3d and 4th generation Americans shun, even if they are dirt broke. And the work ethic boggles my mind, my dad works for IBEW, they act like a union/hiring hall, so he is tossed around different shops. When he started, the shops kept laying him off after a week, because he was "working to fast". Until he learned how to slack off. It wasn't like that 30 - 40 years ago, that's what I was trying to convey. It just feels, like people lost their sense of pride. I think that one of the reasons that so much outsourcing began in the early 90s. The consumerism, kids were literally growing up inside malls, that was their second home. Planed Obsolescence frankly is a must, if you make a product that will last forever, you will eventually run out of customers, Crocs shoes were like that, i still have the $10 pair, that i got like 8 years back, i think i will be passing that pair on as a family heirloom. They were filing for bankruptcy not to long ago, they literally ran out of customers. --------------------- Take a look at that debunking video though. Unless you already did, cause you very last response was funny as hell.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5uJgG05xUY&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=0A2E95A671030238if you think i sounded like a messiah lol you'd probably start a petition to get her banned from life lol. But it will get us back on topic of the thread. |
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Post by slh1234 on Jan 16, 2010 3:13:57 GMT
I'm glad you finally got some back-up I watched it. Ban her? Nah ... I think she stands on a street corner near where I live with her signs and all and provides some entertainment for most of us . The bottom line here is your perceptions are largely built on what you were taught growing up. Sure, it adjusts with different stages in life ... I had a little different opinion on a number of things when I was in high school than I did when I had kids in High School for example. But what you perceive, and what you are predisposed to believe (I think) is based largely in the culture where you grew up. Obviously, we grew up in very different worlds. That's going to flavor a lot of our responses. For example, I am 1/4 Cherokee - Native American. That might have some influence on my perception that this country was built on the backs of immigrants ... what do you think? Was it? I might point out how much of the world's current food was originally eaten by Native Americans ... that side of my heritage has certainly made a large contribution to the world as we currently know it. That's not actually what I think. I actually think that I wouldn't exist if it wasn't for both immigrants and Native Americans. I hate being asked what race I am because I can only check one box, and I don't think I fit any of the 6 categories, and don't want to deny any part of my family or heritage. (So I usually don't answer, and make someone else put down what they think I am ... strange approach, but I prefer to just not answer). I would like to give all parts of my heritage the proper credit for what they've contributed both to the country and to who I am. Our experiences are also going to shape us. When you talk about planned obsolescence, the first thing I think about is my two failed business ventures - one of them lasted 10 years, part of that successful before it tanked in the end. Planned obsolescence? Hardly ... Nothing lasts forever. There is an economics question that needs to be answered on every product abotu how long you want it to last vs. how much you're willing to spend on it. It may be cheaper to build two cars that will generally last about 5 years than it is to build one car that will last 10 years, but there is no such thing as a car that lasts forever. And, of course, as you add more parts, there are more places for it to break. My personal experience in business is that this won't work unless my competitors also do it, and they would love it if I did it and gave them the edge up on me. My personal experience with products I buy is that they last a long time. For example, we just moved to a smaller house (because the only kid I have left at home is my son), and when we downsized, we sold one of our refrigerators - it had housed my wife's Kimchi for the last several years. We bought it in 1991. We've had similar life out of washers, dryers, etc. Now, I work as a software engineer. I work for Microsoft. Can you tell me how much Oracle, Google, or Apple would love it if Microsoft planned for its software to stop functioning after a while? How easy would that make it for their sales teams? What actually happens is that we have to release products periodically. Each release has to offer enough of an advantage feature wise, performance wise, and/or stability wise for it to make sense for customers to upgrade to the new product. We continue to support two versions behind. People can continue to use our products after we stop supporting them, and in fact, they often do - at least for a while. There is nothing there that is going to make it stop working, but the fact is that we can't afford to keep support people's skills up on older versions while simultaneously expecting them to learn the new versions and help customers moving to the new versions get those properly installed, configured on properly scaled hardware, train customers on the new versions, and deal with problems which will inevitably crop up in production. It's not possible. Of course, if we planned obsolescence on SQL Server, then Oracle and IBM would wipe us out of the market in short order. Likewise, we would LOVE to see Oracle plan obsolescence for their software. It's just not happening ... competition will not allow it. And as long as competition will not allow it, you will continue to get improvements to make the case for the next version of the software, and ... I don't have time to get into the research that goes into planning what improvements to include, but it is the market more than us that drives that. let me take the school discussion to the Open Forum. I'll start a thread there. |
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Post by bxs on Jan 16, 2010 5:07:57 GMT
I would like to give all parts of my heritage the proper credit for what they've contributed both to the country and to who I am. That's the easy part, tell em you are Russian lawlib.lclark.edu/blog/native_america/?p=2411one of our refrigerators - it had housed my wife's Kimchi for the last several years. We bought it in 1991. We've had similar life out of washers, dryers, etc. The Kimchi didn't spoil after 2 years? ;D J/K. See, you are right we are shaped by the experiences, up to 3, my parents and i lived in a communal apartment. Basicaly 1 room per family. The rest was shared 1 bathroom, 1 kitchen, 2 stoves though, and then each family had their own fridge, with chains and padlocks... our newest applience was the fridge from 1950-1-2-3, so it was at least 20yo, the stoves, were there since before the WWII, and they worked, when we moved the next person got them. They were no Kenmores, but they did their job. This is cool: Item Life expectancy www.nahb.org/fileUpload_details.aspx?contentID=72475I work as a software engineer for Microsoft. Can you tell me how much Oracle, Google, or Apple would love it if Microsoft planned for its software to stop functioning after a while? I don't think it would make a difference, after Win3.1 for PCs and NT4 for networks, it took XP-SP1 to start functioning decent, pretty much after Win3.1 and NT4, a new era arrived, we now had to pay to beta test. That's why Microsoft lost a big chunk of the market at that time. What actually happens is that we have to release products periodically. Each release has to offer enough of an advantage feature wise, performance wise, and/or stability wise for it to make sense for customers to upgrade to the new product. I love that you said that , this one is called Postponement obsolescence, refers to a situation where technological improvements are not introduced to a product, even though they could be. We continue to support two versions behind. People can continue to use our products after we stop supporting them, and in fact, they often do - at least for a while. But the fact is that we can't afford to keep support people's skills up on older versions while simultaneously expecting them to learn the new versions and help customers moving to the new versions get those properly installed, configured on properly scaled hardware, train customers on the new versions, and deal with problems which will inevitably crop up in production. It's not possible. Technical obsolescence may occur when a new product or technology supersedes the old, and it becomes preferred to utilize the new technology in place of the old. And as long as competition will not allow it, you will continue to get improvements to make the case for the next version of the software. Billy wanted to implement it, then the antitrust lawsuits came, when he tried to stomp SUN Microsystems, for unix and java. And the ONLY reason the government, let him off as easy as they did. Because he had them by the balls, i think 85%, or pretty close to that, of government employees used Microsoft products. He could have just revoked the User Licenses, and remotely turn off the software. So they worked something out, I'm sure he didn't want to die a horrible death. I forgot how much they fined him but to him it was nothing. |
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Post by bxs on Jan 16, 2010 5:10:47 GMT
I KNEW THIS WAS GONNA TAKE ME FULL CIRCLE!!! ARE YOU ALL READY FOR THE MESSIAH? Some environmentalists seem concerned the foods will be too successful at feeding the poor. Al Gore has worried, “The most lasting impact of biotechnology on the food supply may come not from something going wrong, but from all going right…we’re far more likely to accidentally drown ourselves in a sea of excess grain.” Given the environmentalist movement’s hatred of population – best exemplified by Obama Science Czar John Holdren’s justification of compulsory abortion in the United States – this may be the real locus of their disdain. from: frontpagemag.com/2009/10/30/bill-gates-vs-the-famine-lobby-ben-johnson/LOL this was an accidental miss-click on my part, and somehow i ended up looking at news agencies info-waring. |
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Post by scpg02 on Jan 16, 2010 7:23:54 GMT
Definitions of Conspiracy on the Web: * a secret agreement between two or more people to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose The key word being "Secret", if people know about it, its not a conspiracy. You are correct. What is generally referred to as the global conspiracy is not a secret, it is a well known fact. Calling those who understand the nature of this global compact are labeled conspiracy nuts in order to marginalize them. |
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Post by scpg02 on Jan 16, 2010 7:26:37 GMT
I did a similar thread last year. It got removed eventually  Bummer. I would lose respect for the site. Isn't that why we don't like Jones's emails? They wanted to sensor opinions they didn't agree with? |
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Post by slh1234 on Jan 16, 2010 20:49:53 GMT
I don't think it would make a difference, after Win3.1 for PCs and NT4 for networks, it took XP-SP1 to start functioning decent, pretty much after Win3.1 and NT4, a new era arrived, we now had to pay to beta test. That's why Microsoft lost a big chunk of the market at that time. When did MS lose a big chuck of its market? And for what? I love that you said that , this one is called Postponement obsolescence, refers to a situation where technological improvements are not introduced to a product, even though they could be. And you can give it such a label because ... You have no idea what our R&D process is, or how new features are included in new products, or what kind of time frame has to be maintained for releases. There is no postponement of technological improvements. Instead, it is a constant rush to get the features included that are deemed should be developed for the new versions. In all seriousness (not an insult, a serious question), is this a cultural thing? I notice the tendency to jump to a conclusion (usually assuming the worst about a group of people determined to "keep us down"), then make accusations and assert it so strongly as a certain fact among a number of my colleagues of Russian Descent. I normally try to deal with people as individuals, but I do notice a trend sometimes, and this is one I seem to notice from among this group of colleagues. Maybe you can enlighten me about whether there is a cultural influence behind this. Re: Technical obsolescence ... I can actually agree here. Technical obsolescense is a normal part of our business cycle. Where you say "Billy wanted to implement it ... " what you quoted me on just above that doesn't make sense to me. What are you saying he wanted to implement? Time bombing the software? Even if that were true, and even if Microsoft had implemented that, the market would have corrected it very quickly. That's not what the Anti-trust suit was all about. Interesting ... did you know that Sun commissioned MS to write the MS Java Virtual Machine? MS did write it and implement it. Changes were made in the implementation, and the suit was for "Incompletely implementing" the JVM. Now, MS has discontinued the MS JVM, and sun provides the JVM for windows environments. It didn't start as MS deciding it would squash Sun ... it started as a partnership, and ended in disagreement. |
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Post by slh1234 on Jan 16, 2010 20:52:55 GMT
I don't think it would make a difference, after Win3.1 for PCs and NT4 for networks, it took XP-SP1 to start functioning decent, pretty much after Win3.1 and NT4, a new era arrived, we now had to pay to beta test. That's why Microsoft lost a big chunk of the market at that time. When did MS lose a big chuck of its market? And for what? I love that you said that , this one is called Postponement obsolescence, refers to a situation where technological improvements are not introduced to a product, even though they could be. And you can give it such a label because ... You have no idea what our R&D process is, or how new features are included in new products, or what kind of time frame has to be maintained for releases. There is no postponement of technological improvements. Instead, it is a constant rush to get the features included that are deemed should be developed for the new versions. In all seriousness (not an insult, a serious question), is this a cultural thing? I notice the tendency to jump to a conclusion (usually assuming the worst about a group of people determined to "keep us down"), then make accusations and assert it so strongly as a certain fact among a number of my colleagues of Russian Descent. I normally try to deal with people as individuals, but I do notice a trend sometimes, and this is one I seem to notice from among this group of colleagues. Maybe you can enlighten me about whether there is a cultural influence behind this. Re: Technical obsolescence ... I can actually agree here. Technical obsolescense is a normal part of our business cycle. Where you say "Billy wanted to implement it ... " what you quoted me on just above that doesn't make sense to me. What are you saying he wanted to implement? Time bombing the software? Even if that were true, and even if Microsoft had implemented that, the market would have corrected it very quickly. That's not what the Anti-trust suit was all about. Interesting ... did you know that Sun commissioned MS to write the MS Java Virtual Machine? MS did write it and implement it. Changes were made in the implementation, and the suit was for "Incompletely implementing" the Java 1.1 standard in the JVM. Now, MS has discontinued the MS JVM, and sun provides the JVM for windows environments. It didn't start as MS deciding it would squash Sun ... it started as a partnership, and ended in disagreement. It also was not part of the antitrust action. |
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Post by slh1234 on Jan 16, 2010 21:05:01 GMT
Definitions of Conspiracy on the Web: * a secret agreement between two or more people to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose The key word being "Secret", if people know about it, its not a conspiracy. You are correct. What is generally referred to as the global conspiracy is not a secret, it is a well known fact. Calling those who understand the nature of this global compact are labeled conspiracy nuts in order to marginalize them. I'm not saying there never is a conspiracy on any level, and I'm taking as context for my response that you are responding by bzx's comment, and not directly to the original post ... What do you think? Could it be ... maybe ... just maybe ... We've been involved first hand in places (such as Microsoft, or other areas I won't enumerate ... I've already been talking about Microsoft), seen things such as ... oh ... what's come up here recently ... the R&D and release cycle for products ... and after dealing with that process a few times and knowing it well, we hear someone tell us about how we conspire to keep improvements we could have implemented in this release out of it so that we can force people to have to buy to get it for the next release. We know the process first hand, and know it doesn't fit the accusation. After enough of those types of things, maybe we begin to question whether people who float those kinds of accusations in other areas really know what they're talking about there as well (it's usually pretty easy to answer). Maybe we're just operating from our observation of the nature of the accusations and how they are propogated, and we're not really conspiring to marginalize any group of people who hold to beliefs of such conspiracies. However; if this is the case, then maybe we don't have as much time to spend arguing about what we think of such accusations nor defend how we have come to think of that category of unsubstantializable claims. So in such a case, maybe we're choosing to not spend time engaged in such a discussion, and so you feel brushed off. I'm sure some may use the political tactic to call names to marginalize, but maybe that's not as many as some think. |
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Post by nautonnier on Jan 16, 2010 21:11:49 GMT
And there I was thinking that the 'flat earth' people were the ones that state CO 2 molecules only emit infra red 'up' or 'down'  Your posts are very one dimensional, nautonnier Well flat earth and up and down - must be 3..... and as some of that occurs over time... it must actually be 4.... not quite up to the string theory level yet though |
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Post by hairball on Jan 16, 2010 21:24:52 GMT
Um, sorry to interrupt, but that crazy woman video that bxs linked in #35, is that really shown in schools !?!
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Post by stranger on Jan 17, 2010 3:35:41 GMT
Yes, HairBall, that - or very similar - videos are shown in many schools across the US. Those videos are among the major reasons so many American parents quit working and home school their kids. Who incidentally are actually about as well educated as children were in the early to mid 1950's. And it drives the NEA absolutely bonkers. I heard one of the teachers social clubs heads, Micheal Marks, raving about that very subject a few years ago. His take was that children don't need to think so there is no point in educating them. For those who have or have had kids in an American public schools 8th grade, a black friend sent me this civics exam. See how a test from one of those second class segregated schools from the 1950's stacks up against a "modern education:" www.blackinformant.com/education/are-you-smarter-than-a-1954-8th-graderOr, just for fun, take the test yourself. I scored 81 for the Obama cabinet and an even 90 for the Truman cabinet - and figure I did very well. And before I forget - re the lawlib link. Everyone has common genes. After all, white, brown,or black, we are all descended from Eve. Which reminds me of the very wise woman who told me that just after God told Adam and Eve they must leave Eden and "earn their bread by the sweat of their brows," He gave the first Commandment. "You all go an play nicely together now." And of course that was not only the first Commandment broken but the one that has been broken the most frequently. Stranger |
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