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Post by cuttydyer on Apr 26, 2013 9:26:06 GMT
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Post by trbixler on Apr 26, 2013 12:37:46 GMT
What is fascinating is how our governments and the MSM fabricate stories of how the heat has been sequestered deep into the oceans or some other fairy tale. Bigger computers with bigger lies making bigger windmills with bigger deficits. It appears that the school bus has turned and temperatures are going down. Svensmark is probably right.
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Post by nautonnier on Apr 26, 2013 13:37:20 GMT
What is fascinating is how our governments and the MSM fabricate stories of how the heat has been sequestered deep into the oceans or some other fairy tale. Bigger computers with bigger lies making bigger windmills with bigger deficits. It appears that the school bus has turned and temperatures are going down. Svensmark is probably right. What I find even more fascinating is that we were told in absolutely no uncertain terms that the world faced unimaginable disaster literally the end of the world - humankind reduced ' to a few breeding pairs in the polar regions' etc etc. Now it is shown by multiple studies that the disaster is not happening - there is no threat to the world and humanity. You would have thought that these papers showing low sensitivity would have resulted in rejoicing and dancing in the streets that there is no imminent threat to the world Yet the mainstream media and climatologists are not only annoyed - they are doing their best to continue the alarm. This to me means that they never thought such a threat existed in the first place - but they do see a threat to their livelihoods as Cassandras from papers that show there is no problem. Indeed, their attacking response to this good news gives them away - they have zero concern about the environment, humanity, saving the world - they do have extreme concern for their wallets. |
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Post by nonentropic on Apr 26, 2013 20:39:33 GMT
I totally agree.
Is there any better news that any society could receive than to discover that the children are safe from a future of poverty, conflict and population collapse.
Clearly the folk involved in the debate at an official level are leveraged into a better future when the world collapses or comes under pressure.
Beware the ruling class. Not nice people but big ideas and a complete disregard for the aspirations of the less well of.
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Post by steve on Apr 27, 2013 12:56:46 GMT
I think the "few breeding pairs" was James Lovelock - who is "visionary" where "visionary" means sometimes delusional.
Clearly the UK experienced significant warming in the 80s and 90s. But only part of this could be explained by the average global warming trend.
This had two effects. 1) people in the UK felt they were experiencing global warming. 2) people in the UK were more likely to believe the temperature record because the temperature change was noticeable.
As only part of the warming was due to "global warming" (ie the average trend) there was scope for some reversal.
That said 2011-12 was one of those very warm winters that one remembers because of there being virtually no frost (till the SSW towards the end of winter). Ditto 2004-5 (I'd guess that was even warmer).
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Post by sigurdur on Apr 27, 2013 14:36:36 GMT
It is funny how we remember warm winters with a fondness, and remember cold winters ....or try to forget them?
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Post by nonentropic on Apr 27, 2013 18:57:54 GMT
Steve by implication you are suggesting that the country that felt GW was the UK but because it was exaggerated by some other force.
Doesn't sound like a catastrophic force to me.
Worth also noting that the biggest group fooled in the UK were the climate scientists, they would by most accepted definitions fail as scientists as a result of their conversion to spin doctors.
As a final point the rise in temperature over the last several hundred years is a trend that may well be still in play, we can't be sure its still there but if it is and as the UK drifts down in temp the residual CO2 impact gets smaller.
My position always has been that the goal of skeptics was to take the C of the CAGW not to affirm that CO2 does nothing, I think that is in hand.
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Post by trbixler on Apr 27, 2013 23:01:27 GMT
Steve by implication you are suggesting that the country that felt GW was the UK but because it was exaggerated by some other force. Doesn't sound like a catastrophic force to me. Worth also noting that the biggest group fooled in the UK were the climate scientists, they would by most accepted definitions fail as scientists as a result of their conversion to spin doctors. As a final point the rise in temperature over the last several hundred years is a trend that may well be still in play, we can't be sure its still there but if it is and as the UK drifts down in temp the residual CO2 impact gets smaller. My position always has been that the goal of skeptics was to take the C of the CAGW not to affirm that CO2 does nothing, I think that is in hand. Did you look at Cutties' graphs?  |
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Post by cuttydyer on May 3, 2013 8:35:08 GMT
 Spring has finally arrived on Dartmoor; newly included in the morning birdsong is a soft & comforting "cuckoo", the swallows have returned and are rebuilding their summer residence in the woodshed, the magnolia tree is resplendent in white flower, the apple trees are showing leaf & the pear trees blossom - but, it's still unseasonably cold.  |
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Post by cuttydyer on May 9, 2013 9:17:05 GMT
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Post by steve on May 11, 2013 9:53:48 GMT
It hung around for a week or so, but has now bu**ered off again.  |
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Post by cuttydyer on May 11, 2013 11:10:59 GMT
It hung around for a week or so, but has now bu**ered off again. Yep, kids insisted that the fires be lit this morning - I better get busy restocking the wood shed. |
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Post by sigurdur on May 11, 2013 18:48:28 GMT
Same thing here. Ran out of fuel for the furnace about 10 days ago. It is MAY.....so refused to fill it.
Tonight....-5.0C is the forecast. Wife and daughter will just have to bundle up. I refuse to put more fuel in the tank till fall so it is fresh.
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Post by trbixler on May 11, 2013 20:06:56 GMT
Sig
I hope that you are not being optimistic.
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Post by cuttydyer on May 11, 2013 20:48:40 GMT
Same thing here. Ran out of fuel for the furnace about 10 days ago. It is MAY.....so refused to fill it. Tonight....-5.0C is the forecast. Wife and daughter will just have to bundle up. I refuse to put more fuel in the tank till fall so it is fresh. -5.0C, now that's cold; my little ones are complaining about the relative barmy +5.0C morning temps that we're currently experiencing. |
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