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Post by cuttydyer on Aug 9, 2013 21:43:55 GMT
"The current pattern of UK weather is not unusual if you care to look back further than the last couple of decades." Show me that proper & exact pattern. And show me the proper time axis. See you again in a few years when you return from the archives, and are fluent in R or similar packages! Perhaps you can explain, when it comes to the history of climate in the UK why I should take the word of “Numerouno” over that of respected men of science such as Professor Hubert Lamb (first Director of the Climatic Research Unit established in 1972 in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia) & Professor Brian f*gan (anthropology University of California) - let me guess, you can provide a link to a Youtube video (with appropriately nauseating background music) that suggests the climate in the UK up until the 20th century was unchanging...am I close?
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Post by cuttydyer on Sept 12, 2013 10:22:53 GMT
The "sunshinehours" blog highlights the UK's cooling climate: HADCET Seasonal Last 15 Years – Cooling As Much as -1.3C/decade? HADCET (Central England Temperature) Seasonal Trend For Last 15 Years is Cooling ? December January February is cooling at -1.3C/decade ? March April May is cooling at -.594C/decade ? September October November is cooling at -.107C/decade ? June July August is cooling at -.232C/decade Link: sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/hadcet-seasonal-last-15-years/
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Post by numerouno on Sept 12, 2013 13:23:20 GMT
"The current pattern of UK weather is not unusual if you care to look back further than the last couple of decades." Show me that proper & exact pattern. And show me the proper time axis. See you again in a few years when you return from the archives, and are fluent in R or similar packages! Perhaps you can explain, when it comes to the history of climate in the UK why I should take the word of “Numerouno” over that of respected men of science such as Professor Hubert Lamb (first Director of the Climatic Research Unit established in 1972 in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia) & Professor Brian f*gan (anthropology University of California) - let me guess, you can provide a link to a Youtube video (with appropriately nauseating background music) that suggests the climate in the UK up until the 20th century was unchanging...am I close? Have any one of these gentlemen presented you with a credible statistical study that says there is a connection with the solar cycles and the climate of the UK? You say there is, I say there is not.
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Post by cuttydyer on Sept 12, 2013 13:43:48 GMT
Perhaps you can explain, when it comes to the history of climate in the UK why I should take the word of “Numerouno” over that of respected men of science such as Professor Hubert Lamb (first Director of the Climatic Research Unit established in 1972 in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia) & Professor Brian f*gan (anthropology University of California) - let me guess, you can provide a link to a Youtube video (with appropriately nauseating background music) that suggests the climate in the UK up until the 20th century was unchanging...am I close? Have any one of these gentlemen presented you with a credible statistical study that says there is a connection with the solar cycles and the climate of the UK? You say there is, I say there is not. I think it's time that you presented your scientific evidence (no youtube videos please) that the UK's climate is not influenced by solar output...
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Post by numerouno on Sept 12, 2013 14:14:37 GMT
Cuttydyer, it is you who will need to present analysis, as it is your thesis.
You will need to present a verifiable statistical connection, but you even have not even said what aspect of the UK climate is supposedly governed by the solar cycle.
At the moment I see nothing from you but empty talk -- remember we will need rather more for a connection than the "we are cooling" enterprise you love so much.
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Post by cuttydyer on Sept 12, 2013 14:21:14 GMT
Cuttydyer, it is you who will need to present analysis, as it is your thesis. You will need to present a verifiable statistical connection, but you even have not even said what aspect of the UK climate is supposedly governed by the solar cycle. At the moment I see nothing from you but empty talk -- remember we will need rather more for a connection than the "we are cooling" enterprise you love so much. As I suspected you can't; your dear old professor would be so disappointed in you...
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Post by numerouno on Sept 12, 2013 14:30:51 GMT
Cuttydyer, I can't see why you just don't go ahead and present the statistical studies that will prove the solar cycle/climate connection for the UK?
Could it perhaps be that there are none?
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Post by cuttydyer on Sept 12, 2013 14:41:30 GMT
Cuttydyer, I can't see why you just don't go ahead and present the statistical studies that will prove the solar cycle/climate connection for the UK? Could it perhaps be that there are none? Go take a look in the "Sun's Influence" thread; then come back and present your scientific evidence that there's no solar influence of the UK's (or Northern Hemispheres) climate... If you haven't noticed you're posting on a "Solar" biased forum linked to the "Solar Ham" website, so the onus is on you to present the evidence that the Sun has no climatic influence - go on, give it a go... Could it perhaps be that there is none?
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Post by numerouno on Sept 12, 2013 14:45:10 GMT
I knew there were none, so thank you for apparently agreeing on this.
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Post by flearider on Sept 12, 2013 18:19:47 GMT
I knew there were none, so thank you for apparently agreeing on this. simple to say if the sun was not there we would be ice sculptures so if your trying to say it warming and cooling has no effect on us .. well your crazier than I thought ..
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 12, 2013 21:16:12 GMT
and all that cooling in spite of the massive push from CO2.
how long will it be till all praise the CO2 as the planet saver.
as a point if the current climate patterns are as per normal then there is no demand for evidence of cause.
this is the reason for the shrill of this is unprecedented from the CAGW crowd, if it isn't unprecedented then there is simply a flow of business as usual climate forecasting and measurement.
prove unprecedented and the game is reversed. QED
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Post by numerouno on Sept 13, 2013 1:25:25 GMT
Pretty decent weather on the 15-day forecast for London, UK, max/min temps/precipitation:
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 13, 2013 2:07:14 GMT
If that is a met office forecast better b sure the heaters are tuned up.
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Post by nonentropic on Sept 13, 2013 3:56:17 GMT
looks like it has the preprogramed hockey stick finish
when was summer 15C max but then you do work of a low base.
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Post by numerouno on Sept 13, 2013 3:58:47 GMT
"looks like it has the preprogramed hockey stick finish
when was summer 15C max but then you do work of a low base."
What is that in English please?
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