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Post by sigurdur on Jun 9, 2013 3:54:01 GMT
numerouno:
Great pictures. Thank you for sharing them.
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Post by icefisher on Jun 9, 2013 5:54:11 GMT
It's not "a few bits of heat on it" at all. If you had ever watched a considerable body of water melt, you'd understand the process better. The ice is simultaneously melting from all directions, even from the inside, but with different mechanisms. Remember, the potential insolation in the Arctic summer roughly equals that of the Equator! Yep, arctic ice melts every year from some pretty basic physics. |
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Post by Ratty on Jun 9, 2013 8:31:51 GMT
Summer watch! After a hot day of +25C the evening's thunderstorm has left water to evaporate in the cooling night. It's half an hour to the midnight hour. Taken yesterday in a Central Finland location by yours truly.  Pylons of one of the 440kV main transmission lines. A lightweight construction with guy wires. It is exactly midnight.  That explains it Numero. You're not getting enough Vitamin D.   |
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Post by numerouno on Jun 9, 2013 20:35:32 GMT
That explains it Numero. You're not getting enough Vitamin D. Thank you for your consideration! I'm getting it from the bottle during the winter, as per the current national recommendations for everyone. Vitamin D is a necessary hormone with a multitude of functions which are not entirely clear yet. Sigurdur, thanks for liking my pics! |
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 10, 2013 1:23:24 GMT
great pictures but the bottle version of vitamin D is no substitute for the blissful lift from sitting in the sun.
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 10, 2013 3:16:46 GMT
nonentropic: I agree 100%, but in the northern areas, we can't always sit naked in the sun...  In fact, where I live we are having a hard time FINDING the sun. |
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 10, 2013 8:26:27 GMT
don't spare the bottle which ever you go for. in the colder months I sometimes have a few bottles.
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Post by cuttydyer on Jun 11, 2013 8:25:24 GMT
Cold start to the Arctic Summer: Daily mean temperatures for the Arctic area north of the 80th northern parallel, plotted with daily climate values calculated from the period 1958-2002.  (ERA40 reanalysis data set from ECMWF, has been applied to calculate daily mean temperatures for the period from 1958 to 2002) The last month +, appears to be one of the coldest since 1958; records can be viewed here: ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.phpAlaska is certainly feeling it:  Link |
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 11, 2013 13:55:22 GMT
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Post by cuttydyer on Jun 11, 2013 14:42:50 GMT
In the German newspaper Der Spiegel, the floods are being blamed on you know who & you know what; translation: "High water of the century is rolling across southern and eastern Germany. Now is an opportunity to take the deniers of climate change for a tour of the d**es, and to take the preachers of growth to Magdeburg. But they would just say they are not to blame. And we would all agree!”the article goes on: "The question is: What proof do the climate change deniers need before they open their eyes? What is it going to take to get the preachers of growth to learn?"
Link: www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/augstein-kolumne-wir-sind-schuld-an-der-flut-a-904744.html#sp.goto.blogcomment=3662 |
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 11, 2013 20:44:34 GMT
cuttydyer,
The noise from both sides of the debate will only get worse as the weather gets more extreme. It is clear to me that we are in a transitional phase from a warm cycle to a colder one. The same type weather pattern has been experienced before and will be again. I think man is having a warming influence but it certainly can be trumped by mother nature. Lets hope mother nature does not unleash another little ice age or worse on us as we are better adapted to a warm world than a cold one.
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Post by numerouno on Jun 11, 2013 20:59:07 GMT
cuttydyer, The noise from both sides of the debate will only get worse as the weather gets more extreme. It is clear to me that we are in a transitional phase from a warm cycle to a colder one. The same type weather pattern has been experienced before and will be again. I think man is having a warming influence but it certainly can be trumped by mother nature. Lets hope mother nature does not unleash another little ice age or worse on us as we are better adapted to a warm world than a cold one. Can we see the "experienced before" weather statistics, and the volume measurements of arctic sea ice? |
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Post by glennkoks on Jun 11, 2013 22:02:26 GMT
Numerouno,
Certainly. How far do you want me to go back? To the MWP or back when ferns covered the arctic?
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Post by numerouno on Jun 12, 2013 0:18:18 GMT
Numerouno, Certainly. How far do you want me to go back? To the MWP or back when ferns covered the arctic? Whatever you have got the weather statistics and the Arctic ice volume data handy for! For the ferns time (for which you will have mysteriously the weather data as well), there was a different continental setup then so it will not apply I'm afraid. |
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 12, 2013 4:51:00 GMT
yes but no ice at all in those times.
it was different from now and it will be different in the future where we live.
the Antarctic is worryingly filling with ice should we be setting up committees for some sort of money spending conference.
I believe its time to stop looking at fluctuations and just start thinking!
its hot its cold its wet its dry its sunny its cloudy. you really think that a bunch of temperature station place close to great places to live, lets assume humans of old were rational will form some sort of proxy for world temperatures or more saliently climate, I don't think so.
we live in a world where temperatures vary by orders of magnitude more daily than we are postulating are important and we think some silly synthesis of long term data in non random location will shine the light on the future is simply daft.
sorry folks sick of the crap.
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In fact, where I live we are having a hard time FINDING the sun.