ab6pn
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Post by ab6pn on Jul 25, 2009 20:52:32 GMT
If global warming was really occurring wouldn't it seem probable that the record for the ultimate highest temperatures ever recorded at various locations on earth would have been broken by now?
The hottest temperature ever recorded on earth was in Africa at El Azizia, Libya on Sept 13, 1922 at a scourching 134 degrees F.----87 years ago.
In North America the highest temperature ever recorded was at Furnace Creek, Death Valley California at 134 degrees F. This took place on July 10, 1913----------96 years ago.
In Australia the highest temperature took place on Jan 2, 1960 when the temperature hit 123.3 degrees F at Oodnadtta, South Australia------49 years ago.
In Europe the highest temperature ever recorded was at Seville, Spain when the temperature hit 122 degrees F on August 4, 1881-------128 years ago.
In South America the highest temperature ever recorded was in Rivadavia, Argentina on Dec 11, 1905 when the temperature hit 120 degrees F----------104 years ago.
In Asia the highest temperature ever recorded was at what is now Tirat Tsvi, Israel when the temperature hit 129 degrees F on June 21, 1942------------67 years ago.
In Antarctica On Jan 5, 1974 the highest temperature recorded took place at Hope Bay when the temperature hit 58.3 degrees F -------------35 years ago.
Now if Al Gore and Jim Hansen are correct and the world is in the midst of global warming then wouldn't it seem probable that these ultimate continental high temperatures would have been broken by now? Especially true if their claim that the greatest global warming temperatures have taken place in the last decade of the 20th Century. If anything the coverage for recording temperatures at various places on earth have increased greatly yet these record temperatures have not been broken. Is this just a statistical fluke or is Prince Charles correct when he tells us that the global warming threat is so dire that we have less than 96 months to save the world.
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Post by socold on Jul 25, 2009 21:21:03 GMT
I think you've demonstrated that no, if global warming was really occuring (which it has) it isn't probable that the ultimate highest temperatures ever recorded on different continents would have been broken by now.
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Post by stevenotsteve on Jul 25, 2009 21:40:08 GMT
socold.
it isn't probable that the ultimate highest temperatures ever recorded on different continents would have been broken by now.
I agree with socold, it's unlikely these records will ever be broken in our lifetimes.
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Post by stranger on Jul 26, 2009 2:22:43 GMT
Why have the highest temperatures on record not been exceeded since? Because the peculiar conditions necessary to create those conditions have not occurred since the maximum was set. We probably do not know what caused most of them - but I can barely remember the summer of 1936 when it got up to 126 in Kansas.
It has not been even close to that hot since. Because the "stall out" that kept the heat concentrated over a relatively small section of the US has not recurred.
And, argue how you will, all of the scientific signs and portents say we are going into a period of global cooling. Whether that will be a relatively short period of mild decline or a full blown ice age is indeterminate at this time. Enough time seems to have elapsed since the last ice age to make that eventuality somewhat likely - but if humanity is fortunate we will only see a mild Dalton minimum this time around. Eventually the ice caps will render the argument footless.
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jtom
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Post by jtom on Jul 26, 2009 5:22:17 GMT
Global warming is concerned with average temps, which may not have any impact on extremes. Consider these two situations: you have one location in a desert, where the daytime temps get up to 120 F. Since the nights are cloudless and there's no body of water to moderate the temp, the temp plummets to 40 F. Average temp in this case is 80 F.
The other location is a rain forest or a coastal area that usually overcast, particularly at night. Daily highs are 88 F, but the night temps only fall to 78. Average is 83 F.
Hope that makes sense to you. Had a roommate in college who absolutely insisted that because of the greenhouse effect, record high temps had to be on cloudy days. Couldn't get through to him.
I have read somewhere that increased temps caused by GW would be most manifested by higher night time lows. So I don't think a lack of record extreme highs makes for a good anti-GW argument.
The fact that AVERAGE temps seem to be falling, though, absolutely destroys GW, and falling OR stagnate average temps destroys AGW.
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Post by stevenotsteve on Jul 26, 2009 19:22:02 GMT
The avearge temps did rise for a good few years but after 10 years of cooling, it is unlikely that they will be able to help break any localised records now. If one does get broken you sure will hear about it. The coolest records are the ones being broken now in abundance. If anything, it seems that the night time temperatures are falling faster than the daytime temps which is very non agw compliant.
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Post by socold on Jul 26, 2009 19:33:17 GMT
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Post by stevenotsteve on Jul 26, 2009 19:53:01 GMT
You could work for the met office socld.
Warmest ever summer.
No it was average and rained a lot.
mildest ever winter.
No it was record cold.
Warmest winter ever coming.
Just bought a couple of sledges for the kids.
You make me smile socold, such blind faith.
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Post by socold on Jul 26, 2009 20:05:31 GMT
You are just a source of untruths.
Not only is your claim of 10 years of cooling incorrect but also
The met office did not say at any point "Warmest ever summer" or "mildest ever winter" or "Warmest winter ever coming". Nor was it the record coldest winter.
That's 5 untruths so far.
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Post by stevenotsteve on Jul 26, 2009 20:47:23 GMT
Your'e playing semantics now socold. Ok, not word for word warmest ever summer, mildest ever winter, how about 2009 to be one of warmest years on record. I could find dozens of other but really can't be asked. uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BT49G20081230The only way to make it the warmest is to modify history as we have seen happen more than a few times. Warmest year my ass. |
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Post by bender on Jul 26, 2009 20:48:32 GMT
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Post by socold on Jul 26, 2009 23:22:37 GMT
Your'e playing semantics now socold. OK, not word for word warmest ever summer, mildest ever winter how about 2009 to be one of warmest years on record. I could find dozens of other but really can't be asked. uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BT49G20081230That's an article from December last year. It says: "Next year is set to be one of the top-five warmest on record, British climate scientists said on Tuesday.""The average global temperature for 2009 is expected to be more than 0.4 degrees celsius above the long-term average, despite the continued cooling of huge areas of the Pacific Ocean, a phenomenon known as La Nina."So far it's 0.403C above the long-term average. So it looks like they are close. So what's the problem again? I don't see them predicting the warmest year in the article. In fact a scientist in the article notes that 2009 will not be a record breaker. |
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Post by tacoman25 on Jul 27, 2009 12:16:52 GMT
How's that "BBQ" summer in the UK coming along?
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Post by socold on Jul 27, 2009 18:25:24 GMT
Already had one, start of summer, during that big spike:  |
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Post by stevenotsteve on Jul 27, 2009 19:02:36 GMT
socold.
Barbecue summer. Already had one, start of summer, during that big spike:
You are showing your age now socold (or lack of it). Many of us are old enough to remember heatwaves where the temperature sat around 30c for weeks at a time. After 30yrs of so called warming, less that a week at 26c is a barbecue summer now.
Sort of redefines it a bit don't you think.
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