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Post by Purinoli on Mar 12, 2010 7:43:41 GMT
Reminds me of a few years ago, when we had 60 cm of snow in March, which is extremely rare here (in any season). On March 8 SW Slovenia faced a terrible stormy weather lasted about 32 hours : wind gusts between 150 and 200 kmph ( up to 125 mph), temp around -5 C. 90 % of country received snowing. It was covered by 10-70 cm (about 27 '') of fresh snow. In my location ( central Slovenia) acumulated snow precipitations in this winter reached 228 cm (90 inches) and snow cover of 74 days and it is still all white around. Temp. anomaly for Dec,Jan, Feb is -0.7 C. My location is just about 100 km from Adriatic sea. This data fits very good into the fact that decade 2001-2010 is the most snow covered decade from 1960 for NH.
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Post by anse on Mar 15, 2010 21:54:35 GMT
Baltic Sea ice extent peaked in the 8th of March with around 240 000 km2, the highest since 1987.
Down to the middle part of south Sweden there has now been a complete snow coverage for three months and even if it will get milder in couple of days I believe a lot of weather stations in the south will measure at least some cm of snow on the 100th day (Thursday the 25th) which I cant remember have happened during the last 20 years at least.
From a swedish meterological point of view, spring has only reached a few weather stations in the very south of the country. (To state spring, the average temperature has to stay above 0 C for 7 consecutive days.)
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Post by trbixler on Mar 18, 2010 12:43:46 GMT
"NOAA’s State of the Climate report for the winter season (December through February) anthe month of February, state that temperatures were below normal for the contiguous United States. The winter season was wetter than normal; however precipitation in February alone was slightly below average. " icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-coolBut Say isn't so Joe "The Facts About Snowstorms & Climate Change" but what about your lying eyes. www.noaa.gov/features/02_monitoring/index.html
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 20, 2010 19:41:01 GMT
We should be really glad that this has been the WARMEST few months EVER.... "Kingfisher numbers in decline as harsh winter takes its toll Kingfishers are the latest victims of the harsh winter and numbers appear to be in sharp decline, conservationists say.
Experts fear the species could be faring even worse this year than in the last big chill, which hit Britain during the winter of 1962-63, when kingfisher numbers dropped by 85 per cent.""Mongolia’s harsh winter of discontent
After enduring a harsh winter last year that killed almost half of her 1,000 head of livestock, Baatariin Erdenechimeg moved halfway across Mongolia in search of a new start. But this winter has been no better her family has lost a third of its remaining animals and may lose more before the warmer weather returns. Our animals could not survive that kind of cold, said Erdenechimeg, a 42-year-old mother of two. They collapsed in the snow and died overnight. Our remaining animals are just skin and bones. Erdenechimeg, one of hundreds of thousands of Mongolians..."www.tribune.net.ph/commentary/20100316com3.html"Cold Temperatures Devastate Florida Marine Life ....Record-Shattering Manatee Deaths After a blast of Arctic air made its way to the Sunshine State in mid-January, hundreds of thousands of dead fish floated to the surface of waters along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts. Among the fish unable to withstand the cooler waters were grouper, bonefish, bream, barracuda, red snapper, snook, parrotfish, pompano, tarpon, mullet, catfish, kingfish, largemouth bass, and carp.
In addition, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) reports a record number of endangered manatees have died from cold weather this year. So far, cold weather has killed 280 Florida manatees in 2010."www.heartland.org/full/27100/Cold_Temperatures_Devastate_Florida_Marine_Life.htmlI really think that the AGW proponents should visit these places and tell them that they were actually experiencing record warmth.... I am sure a few UAH and GISS graphics would save these animals - especially once they realize how closely in agreement the trends are.... When should the queries start on the generation of these temperature reports and methods of 'averaging' and the actual surface 'observations' that are rather more disturbingly believable?
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Post by socold on Mar 21, 2010 1:30:07 GMT
What are you talking about? Why would I "visit these places" and tell them they were experiencing record warmth when they weren't?
The globe as a whole was warm, the particular regions you mention were cold. There is no contradiction.
In fact, and this will really annoy you, the particular unusual weather patterns that led to some areas having very cold weather and others very warm could have been induced by AGW. Uncertainty is a double-edged sword.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 21, 2010 1:48:30 GMT
What are you talking about? Why would I "visit these places" and tell them they were experiencing record warmth when they weren't? The globe as a whole was warm, the particular regions you mention were cold. There is no contradiction. In fact, and this will really annoy you, the particular unusual weather patterns that led to some areas having very cold weather and others very warm could have been induced by AGW. Uncertainty is a double-edged sword. It doesn't annoy me at all SoCold - unproven 'could's and other hypotheses cannot ever do that. But the averaging of temperature does not seem to reflect the actual energy budget as it is not measuring heat content it is measuring atmospheric temperature. Therefore it is actually quite simple for the Earth to be losing heat yet rising in temperature and the averaging method may well amplify this 'paradox'.
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Post by kiwistonewall on Mar 21, 2010 3:45:22 GMT
Enthalpy of dry Air: 1.006 kj/kg oC
Enthalpy of saturated Air (25 oC)
h = (1.006 kJ/kgoC) (25oC) + (0.0203 kg/kg) [(1.84 kJ/kgoC) (25oC) + (2501 kJ/kg)] = (25.15 kJ/kg) + (0.93 kJ/kg) + (51.70 kJ/kg)
= 77.8 (kJ/kg)
(The 2501 is due to latent heat)
So 100% Moist Air has close to 80x the energy of dry air. Temperature is thus largely irrelevant.
Its a bit like measuring someone's height by measuring their IQ.
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 21, 2010 13:09:23 GMT
Enthalpy of dry Air: 1.006 kj/kg oC Enthalpy of saturated Air (25 oC) h = (1.006 kJ/kg oC) (25 oC) + (0.0203 kg/kg) [(1.84 kJ/kg oC) (25 oC) + (2501 kJ/kg)] = (25.15 kJ/kg) + (0.93 kJ/kg) + (51.70 kJ/kg) = 77.8 (kJ/kg) (The 2501 is due to latent heat) So 100% Moist Air has close to 80x the energy of dry air. Temperature is thus largely irrelevant. Its a bit like measuring someone's height by measuring their IQ. Thanks Kiwi, So as the polar vortices move equatorwards (as they have done) the dryer polar air masses cover more area. A small amount of heat will raise the temperature of this dry air more than it would the normally more humid air in the mid-latitudes. Along come the unthinking mathematicians who 'average' the temperature based on a geographic spread. They will go to 2 places of decimals doing this (!!!) not realizing that they are using the wrong metric. There is a further skew in the satellite data that adds a vertical component in the measurement of temperature say up to 5km ( ~16,000ft). As the tropopause is 2 - 3 times as high at the equator, 5km is the bottom 25% or less of the troposphere at the thermal equator and the bottom 50% or more at the poles. Is there something psychological about mathematicians that not only will they use the simplest metric (even when incorrect) but also they feel a need to use straight lines in measuring and describing stochastic natural systems?
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Post by stranger on Mar 22, 2010 23:11:16 GMT
Nautonnier, you reminded me that quite a few years ago when I was a member, the American Mathematical Society discounted books to members. They let the mathematicians calculate their own discount. And had to discontinue the practice, since the majority of orders included the wrong amount.
If you want an explanation of Peano's axioms or nilpotent numbers, most can manage quite well. But a 40% discount on a $20.00 book, plus $4.95 shipping, is entirely beyond them.
Stranger
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Post by trbixler on Mar 24, 2010 2:17:47 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Mar 25, 2010 1:23:24 GMT
Killer icicles terrorise Russians Falling icicles and ice blocks have killed five people and injured 147 in St Petersburg following Russia's coldest winter in 30 years.......
The city hall, however, says that accidents are inevitable given the scale of the ice-clearing after such a severe winter. "The snow falls this winter have been unprecedented, a kind of natural disaster. Unfortunately, there are victims," Yury Osipov, head of Saint Petersburg's housing committee, told AFP..www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7511235/Killer-icicles-terrorise-Russians.htmlSome more people who need to be shown that they are actually experiencing record warmth - I am sure a GISS graph with a nice upward trend line - or even a hockey stick - would make them realize the icicles are just a figment of their imaginations.
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Post by byz on Mar 29, 2010 18:01:03 GMT
Winter has returned to the north of the UK. Now how does that song go? Oh yes... I'm dreaming of a white Easter just like the ones we used to know (in the early 70's).
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Post by throttleup on Mar 29, 2010 18:24:46 GMT
Winter has returned to the north of the UK. Now how does that song go? Oh yes... I'm dreaming of a white Easter just like the ones we used to know (in the early 70's). Keep your eggs warm, byz!
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Post by kiwistonewall on Mar 30, 2010 6:11:17 GMT
Off topic: In New Zealand we have Marshmallow eggs - they are made in halves, with a marshmallow "yolk" in yellow surrounded by white. These are dipped in milk chocolate & the halves joined together. At last we can buy these in Australia. Have a blessed Easter everyone, whatever the weather. And even more off topic: Easter celebrates resurrection & new life, and I have a new grandson! (Photo about 12 hrs old!) i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp183/kiwistonewall/Isaac.jpg
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Post by jurinko on Mar 30, 2010 7:51:21 GMT
"born during the arctic ice rebound" ;D
Congratulations!
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