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Post by nautonnier on Jul 28, 2019 17:11:27 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Jul 31, 2019 19:34:08 GMT
Lovely graphic on how 2 cycles phase in and out to produce forcings
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 1, 2019 19:26:40 GMT
Now you don't see this every day. All that warm Gulf Stream flow appears to be headed into the gyre and headed toward NW Africa instead of Europe.  |
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Post by Ratty on Aug 1, 2019 22:26:44 GMT
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Post by douglavers on Aug 2, 2019 0:21:06 GMT
[[Now you don't see this every day. All that warm Gulf Stream flow appears to be headed into the gyre and headed toward NW Africa instead of Europe.]]
Missouriboy's comment.
If the Gulf Stream does not "revert" to its normal pattern by November, Europe could suffer a reality check on Global Warming.
I think winter temperatures in W Europe will be 2-3 degC cooler, which will have an interesting result on the climate.
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 2, 2019 5:49:46 GMT
[[Now you don't see this every day. All that warm Gulf Stream flow appears to be headed into the gyre and headed toward NW Africa instead of Europe.]] Missouriboy's comment. If the Gulf Stream does not "revert" to its normal pattern by November, Europe could suffer a reality check on Global Warming. I think winter temperatures in W Europe will be 2-3 degC cooler, which will have an interesting result on the climate. Makes one wonder if the flow of the Gulf Stream is chaotic with two main attractor states - one is the flow continuing as the North Atlantic Drift, the other is the flow through the gyre to the Atlantic coast of Africa then South. Just as a mind game - a flow of warmer water along the West African coast could lead to more rainfall in the Sahara area and eventually to the desert becoming grassland then forested as it was in the past with rains all along the North African areas. Is this the state that existed prior to the Egyptian kingdoms? Was it the flip back to North Atlantic drift attractor that forced people to relocate North Eastward into the Nile valley as the rains continually failed? As Missouri has pointed out the movement of the ancient peoples is a good indicator of the climate state. Could certain orbital states (barycentric effects) cause a flip in the chaotic gulf stream and lead to major climate shits in the Northern Hemisphere? |
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 3, 2019 9:44:42 GMT
 Seems to be quite cold where the North Atlantic drift should be |
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Post by Ratty on Aug 3, 2019 10:04:31 GMT
Is it even possible that I may be wrong?  |
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 3, 2019 19:36:32 GMT
Is it even possible that I may be wrong? Ratty - " That's not right - it's not even wrong". Wolfgang Pauli |
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Post by sigurdur on Aug 8, 2019 13:46:18 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 8, 2019 14:59:08 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 8, 2019 19:14:11 GMT
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Post by fatjohn1408 on Aug 9, 2019 0:39:25 GMT
This is not really statistically relevant though. We're talking about 3.5 years of downward trend after ENSO event. We need to drop a little bit more till this becomes an unprecedented drop since the global warming mantra has been pushed. |
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Post by nautonnier on Aug 9, 2019 10:03:17 GMT
This is not really statistically relevant though. We're talking about 3.5 years of downward trend after ENSO event. We need to drop a little bit more till this becomes an unprecedented drop since the global warming mantra has been pushed. True, although it was not a really strong ENSO event and. as I found on my recent trip to UK - EVERYONE is saying temperatures are inexorably rising. |
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Post by missouriboy on Aug 9, 2019 14:25:40 GMT
This is not really statistically relevant though. We're talking about 3.5 years of downward trend after ENSO event. We need to drop a little bit more till this becomes an unprecedented drop since the global warming mantra has been pushed. True, although it was not a really strong ENSO event and. as I found on my recent trip to UK - EVERYONE is saying temperatures are inexorably rising. And so it will go until widely publicized multiple studies or events drive undisguisable stakes through the heart of the beast. Once established, mantras (dogmas), like cultures, have a certain resilience through repetition. |
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