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Post by sigurdur on Jun 30, 2020 18:49:31 GMT
Gridley, I don't know what country you live in, but in the US "lowering the curve" has been a primary objective since very early in the pandemic. Lowering the curve means keeping the number of cases low enough that the medical facilities are able to handle them. It is currently a major focus the sunbelt states. Check the newspapers in Arizona, Texas, Florida and Georgia. The number of cases is increasing with the availability of testing for people who do not have the full panoply of symptoms. This has resulted in the number of cases increasing as even asymptomatic cases are being identified. In Florida hospitalizations are not increasing and deaths are decreasing. Thus the CFR is reducing to a level that would not normally merit any concern from politicians certainly not any idea of lock downs or business closures. The media response to this epidemic has been a classic misinformation campaign the entire governmental medical community with their revolving door link to big pharma, would prefer a vaccine due to the huge amounts of money to be made Hindsight is always 2020. What has happened now is Covid19 has become political because major news sites love selling advertising.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 30, 2020 19:16:49 GMT
"Lockdown Based On Scientific Fraud…Viral German Documentary Demolishes COVID-19 Hype …Panic Based On “Data Falsification”
On June 28, two days ago, German psychology student ‘Sebastian’ released a video that completely demolishes the hype surrounding the COVID-19 “pandemic” and how dangerously authoritarian the government is handling the matter.
It claims that the basis supposedly underpinning the lock-down was “grossly unscientific” and that the numbers were padded to create fear and panic among the public.
The video is also available here with English subtitles, thanks to Tony Heller.
Released just yesterday, the documentary has already been viewed 300,000 times and surely will become controversial and attacked viciously by self-anointed “fact-checkers”.
Watering down definition of a pandemic
In the video, Sebastian begins by noting how in 2009 the WHO removed two criteria that were part of the definition of a pandemic: there had to be high death counts in a number of countries. “Today that is no longer the case,” says Sebastian. “Why the change was made is unclear.”"notrickszone.com/2020/06/30/lockdown-based-on-scientific-fraud-viral-german-documentary-demolishes-covid-19-hype-panic-based-on-data-falsification/
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Post by acidohm on Jul 1, 2020 6:44:42 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 1, 2020 9:59:35 GMT
From what I have heard that has probably done the world a favor as well as making the manufacturers rich (the real reason it was approved)
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Post by gridley on Jul 1, 2020 12:56:51 GMT
It appears to me that you're implying that data on Covid-19 (hospitalizations, etc.) is actually being used by those in authority to decide whether to order more lockdowns and such. I've seen no evidence of that. Edit to add: thus, bringing up data and projecting what future measures might be needed based on it is rather pointless, since the data aren't being used to drive decisions. Gridley, I don't know what country you live in, but in the US "lowering the curve" has been a primary objective since very early in the pandemic. Lowering the curve means keeping the number of cases low enough that the medical facilities are able to handle them. It is currently a major focus the sunbelt states. Check the newspapers in Arizona, Texas, Florida and Georgia. And there's never been any *reliable data* that "flattening the curve" was necessary. The early numbers from China (gee, they NEVER lie!) looked bad. The Diamond Princess numbers didn't, and we had those quite early on. Nor is there reliable data that wearing cloth masks improperly would flatten a curve. Most of the 'shutdown' orders sound great until you look at the huge number of businesses and occupations that are excluded. Nor, BTW, is there evidence that a REAL pandemic could be "flattened" enough to actually fit into the ICU capacity of the US (quite the opposite). Then of course we need to add in data manipulations (counting "presumptive positives" as actual cases, etc.).
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Post by acidohm on Jul 1, 2020 13:00:10 GMT
Comprehensive Sweden analysis
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Post by phydeaux2363 on Jul 1, 2020 15:01:15 GMT
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Post by acidohm on Jul 1, 2020 16:25:02 GMT
More anecdotes
My wife had postal antibody test, came-ve. My mum had a private appointment booked for AB test today but it turns out new, more accurate test coming out next week so cancelled today, rebooked for late.
Wife spoke to private doctor, apparently postal AB test only good for 1 month prior and may give false-ve. Existing doctor test good for previous 6 months +, and in fact has given +ve for people, like my wife/mum who had symptoms december.
Theory, CV mutated in China and increased in symptomatic effect.
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Post by duwayne on Jul 1, 2020 19:51:30 GMT
My prediction of COVID-19 cases for June without a doubt is my all-time worst prediction ever. I predicted there would be a small decline and there was a large increase.
A significant increase in testing was undoubtedly a big factor, but it is difficult to pinpoint exactly what effect that had. My guess is the cases would have been up regardless, and the fact that people were less careful created more infections. Demonstrations and riots certainly distracted people and may have caused more contacts. It’s noteworthy that the average age of the new cases was down substantially.
Until I understand the testing a little better, I’m out of the prediction business for new C-19 cases.
Fortunately, the number of deaths did fall during June. Based on the Worldometer numbers, I calculate the 7-Day average number of deaths in the US on May 31 as 1020. On June 30, the 7-Day average was down to 571. You probably won’t see that on the news reports.
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Post by duwayne on Jul 1, 2020 20:48:52 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jul 2, 2020 0:48:27 GMT
You're in good company, Fido.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 2, 2020 1:45:41 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 2, 2020 4:04:44 GMT
Virtually the same virus.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 2, 2020 10:07:42 GMT
Virtually the same virus. It is and it isn't. It looks like it is the same base SARS but it has been through repeated 'breeding' for gain of function against human cells. The breeding cycles are not long for viruses so you can do an awful lot in a few years: Detrick -> Chapel Hill -> Wuhan. With RNA viruses you can even create hybrids by mixing different but similar viruses and selecting the hybrids for the next cycles. HIV a lentivirus SARS-CoV-2 a Corona Virus Search on: detrick chapel hill wuhan
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Post by acidohm on Jul 2, 2020 20:51:58 GMT
Just going on record the once. US has an issue with spread, 2-3 weeks it'll be obvious in DR too. No need to respond with rubbutals, ive seen/heard them all, i understand the counter arguments. If viewed from the perspective that there's a contagious virus out there that raises hospital requirement and morgue facilities above background levels quite quickly, US has an issue. Over and out.
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