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Post by sigurdur on Jun 30, 2020 1:04:58 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jun 30, 2020 1:35:07 GMT
Oh joy, oh joy ....
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 30, 2020 1:42:08 GMT
Oh joy, oh joy .... Ahhh! The monastery lifestyle. Well at least I can get some writing done.
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Post by acidohm on Jun 30, 2020 6:35:08 GMT
If nature is trying to play some kind of joke, shes making a pigs ear of it đˇđˇ
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 30, 2020 9:46:23 GMT
Here we go again. Innate Immunity - body does not allow infection from viruses bacteria or even cancers as it has routine methods for dealing with external and internal threats - back to vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium and many other micronutrients. Cells that appear to be infected or that are not behaving correctly are killed by the body (more correctly told to die - called apoptosis). Adaptive Immunity - Cells that are infected and those that die through apoptosis wake up a cascade of adaptive immunity actions by the body and this is where inflammation, cytokines, the 'killer' T-cells, antibodies etc etc start getting involved. You want to be in the group where innate immunity prevents infections.
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Post by duwayne on Jun 30, 2020 13:17:06 GMT
I been looking for details on testing which would confirm or negate the idea that positive antibody test cases are being lumped in with actual new cases. Ohio and Georgia had indicated a few weeks back that they were doing this. But itâs obvious that New York isnât. If anyone finds a link with information on this, please post it.
Daily deaths continue to drop. Bars are being closed in the sun belt area. Hospitalizations are still significantly down from earlier numbers in line with the fact that the average age of the reported ânew casesâ is down considerably. Large-scale demonstrations have slowed down.
Despite the very large surge in reported ânew casesâ in the US it may be possible to squeak through without large lockdowns
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 30, 2020 13:22:57 GMT
We have now had our 1st case locally occurring in a younger person. He is doing well. The local chemical place where he worked won't let anyone in to meet for 14 days. A pain in the butt, but so be it for now. My daughter tested negative. She had interaction with the young man. NO, not dating, but talking etc.
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Post by gridley on Jun 30, 2020 14:55:21 GMT
Despite the very large surge in reported ânew casesâ in the US it may be possible to squeak through without large lockdowns You're assuming there's any correlation (or causation) between what we need to do and what those ordering lockdowns are actually doing. So far I have not seen any evidence of this.
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Post by duwayne on Jun 30, 2020 14:59:23 GMT
Here we go again. Innate Immunity - body does not allow infection from viruses bacteria or even cancers as it has routine methods for dealing with external and internal threats - back to vitamin D, Zinc, Selenium and many other micronutrients. Cells that appear to be infected or that are not behaving correctly are killed by the body (more correctly told to die - called apoptosis). Adaptive Immunity - Cells that are infected and those that die through apoptosis wake up a cascade of adaptive immunity actions by the body and this is where inflammation, cytokines, the 'killer' T-cells, antibodies etc etc start getting involved. You want to be in the group where innate immunity prevents infections. Nautonnier, I made a post a while back on "rapid-response" antibodies versus "slow-response" antibodies which to me is another way of thinking about innate immunity and adaptive immunity. Fast-response antibodies are ready and waiting. Slow-response antibodies must be generated and that takes time. As you say, you want to be in the group where innate immunity prevents infections. But, perhaps even more important, you want to keep the "dosage" of virus you receive below the level which can be destroyed by your cache of rapid-response antibodies. Spending 2 hours in a bar with someone nearby talking loud and spreading virus can overload your system with virus beyond the level that can be dealt with by your fast-response immunity. Walking past someone in a bar may result in virus entering your system but your fast-response system can generally deal with it and you'll never know it happened. If your rapid-response immunity is overwhelmed, the your slow-response systems kick in. If you are vaccinated with slow-response antibodies these then can act like the fast-response antibodies and fight off the virus. Otherwise it takes time to generate slow-response antibodies.
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Post by duwayne on Jun 30, 2020 15:06:45 GMT
Despite the very large surge in reported ânew casesâ in the US it may be possible to squeak through without large lockdowns You're assuming there's any correlation (or causation) between what we need to do and what those ordering lockdowns are actually doing. So far I have not seen any evidence of this. Gridley, I'm not sure I get your point.
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Post by gridley on Jun 30, 2020 15:14:41 GMT
You're assuming there's any correlation (or causation) between what we need to do and what those ordering lockdowns are actually doing. So far I have not seen any evidence of this. Gridley, I'm not sure I get your point. It appears to me that you're implying that data on Covid-19 (hospitalizations, etc.) is actually being used by those in authority to decide whether to order more lockdowns and such. I've seen no evidence of that. Edit to add: thus, bringing up data and projecting what future measures might be needed based on it is rather pointless, since the data aren't being used to drive decisions.
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 30, 2020 16:18:35 GMT
It appears to me that you're implying that data on Covid-19 (hospitalizations, etc.) is actually being used by those in authority to decide whether to order more lockdowns and such. I've seen no evidence of that. Edit to add: thus, bringing up data and projecting what future measures might be needed based on it is rather pointless, since the data aren't being used to drive decisions. Are you expecting them to share how they made decisions? I admit it would make sense if they did. Side Note: Watching Fuci and CDC speak on the Hill and they briefly mentioned the new swine virus, said it had re-assortment capabilities.Which would put it right up there with that Democrat virus named Joe.
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Post by duwayne on Jun 30, 2020 17:06:23 GMT
Gridley, I'm not sure I get your point. It appears to me that you're implying that data on Covid-19 (hospitalizations, etc.) is actually being used by those in authority to decide whether to order more lockdowns and such. I've seen no evidence of that. Edit to add: thus, bringing up data and projecting what future measures might be needed based on it is rather pointless, since the data aren't being used to drive decisions. Gridley, I don't know what country you live in, but in the US "lowering the curve" has been a primary objective since very early in the pandemic. Lowering the curve means keeping the number of cases low enough that the medical facilities are able to handle them. It is currently a major focus the sunbelt states. Check the newspapers in Arizona, Texas, Florida and Georgia.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 30, 2020 17:26:45 GMT
It appears to me that you're implying that data on Covid-19 (hospitalizations, etc.) is actually being used by those in authority to decide whether to order more lockdowns and such. I've seen no evidence of that. Edit to add: thus, bringing up data and projecting what future measures might be needed based on it is rather pointless, since the data aren't being used to drive decisions. Gridley, I don't know what country you live in, but in the US "lowering the curve" has been a primary objective since very early in the pandemic. Lowering the curve means keeping the number of cases low enough that the medical facilities are able to handle them. It is currently a major focus the sunbelt states. Check the newspapers in Arizona, Texas, Florida and Georgia. The number of cases is increasing with the availability of testing for people who do not have the full panoply of symptoms. This has resulted in the number of cases increasing as even asymptomatic cases are being identified. In Florida hospitalizations are not increasing and deaths are decreasing. Thus the CFR is reducing to a level that would not normally merit any concern from politicians certainly not any idea of lock downs or business closures. The media response to this epidemic has been a classic misinformation campaign the entire governmental medical community with their revolving door link to big pharma, would prefer a vaccine due to the huge amounts of money to be made
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Post by sigurdur on Jun 30, 2020 18:47:21 GMT
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