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Post by walnut on Jul 16, 2020 15:59:35 GMT
A guy at a Chinese factory just called me to ask about an order he hopes I'm going to place. He asked about the virus status here. He said that it is almost gone there.
He also said that the flooded dam project is going to be ok (?!)
He is a Chinese in whom I sense no guile.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 16, 2020 20:40:16 GMT
A guy at a Chinese factory just called me to ask about an order he hopes I'm going to place. He asked about the virus status here. He said that it is almost gone there. He also said that the flooded dam project is going to be ok (?!) He is a Chinese in whom I sense no guile. Regardless of truth, he probably also knows that a party line mouth attracts no secret police.
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Post by walnut on Jul 16, 2020 22:33:55 GMT
A guy at a Chinese factory just called me to ask about an order he hopes I'm going to place. He asked about the virus status here. He said that it is almost gone there. He also said that the flooded dam project is going to be ok (?!) He is a Chinese in whom I sense no guile. Regardless of truth, he probably also knows that a party line mouth attracts no secret police. Yeah, possibly, or else I also consider that news may not travel well from province to province. After all, the Chinese gov't was able to direct the flow of the virus to the west, and mostly prevented it from spreading across China.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 17, 2020 0:49:43 GMT
"UK's daily death toll is INFLATED: Academics say fewer than 40 people are dying of Covid-19 per day and accuse government of adding historic deaths in batches 'for some time'
The way officials spread out historic deaths causing 'confusion', experts say Department of Health still recording more than 80 fatalities per day But hospital deaths, which account for two thirds, are significantly lower Dr Jason Oke and Professor Carl Heneghan said official tolls have 'inaccuracies' "www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8529269/Daily-death-toll-INFLATED-fewer-40-people-dying-day-UK.htmlIt does seem that there are those that have their fingers on the scales. As was found in Florida where percentage positives went from over 90% to under 10% when someone knowledgeable started asking questions.
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Post by Ratty on Jul 17, 2020 6:05:42 GMT
"UK's daily death toll is INFLATED: Academics say fewer than 40 people are dying of Covid-19 per day and accuse government of adding historic deaths in batches 'for some time'
The way officials spread out historic deaths causing 'confusion', experts say Department of Health still recording more than 80 fatalities per day But hospital deaths, which account for two thirds, are significantly lower Dr Jason Oke and Professor Carl Heneghan said official tolls have 'inaccuracies' "www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8529269/Daily-death-toll-INFLATED-fewer-40-people-dying-day-UK.htmlIt does seem that there are those that have their fingers on the scales. As was found in Florida where percentage positives went from over 90% to under 10% when someone knowledgeable started asking questions. Is Politifact reliable? They rate the statement False. Misreported test data in Orlando does not explain Florida’s COVID-19 outbreak
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 17, 2020 10:33:04 GMT
"UK's daily death toll is INFLATED: Academics say fewer than 40 people are dying of Covid-19 per day and accuse government of adding historic deaths in batches 'for some time'
The way officials spread out historic deaths causing 'confusion', experts say Department of Health still recording more than 80 fatalities per day But hospital deaths, which account for two thirds, are significantly lower Dr Jason Oke and Professor Carl Heneghan said official tolls have 'inaccuracies' "www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8529269/Daily-death-toll-INFLATED-fewer-40-people-dying-day-UK.htmlIt does seem that there are those that have their fingers on the scales. As was found in Florida where percentage positives went from over 90% to under 10% when someone knowledgeable started asking questions. Is Politifact reliable? They rate the statement False. Misreported test data in Orlando does not explain Florida’s COVID-19 outbreakI watched a ten minute interview with a senior member of the FL department of health who said that the errors are a problem. I note the weasel words - So yes there has been an outbreak in Florida that can be tied to an influx of holiday makers from 'the North' as the time links it to the Memorial Day holiday.. it may also be that the cold (less than 80F) wet weather changing to warmer (feels like 108F) weather had an effect. But the reporting was incorrect - for some reason they use 'percentage of positive tests' as a report and that was being inflated by some of the testing laboratories when checked values like 90% became 10%. The numbers of deaths in Florida has risen but is less than a quarter of the daily rate of New York in April and May. The outbreak in FL is largely limited to the tourist cities Miami - Fort Lauderdale in the South East; and, St Petersburg - Tampa, West central FL. We are back to a total failure in medical metrology and record keeping - an excuse trotted out several times was that in April when everyone was doubting the ability of the state to test 30,000 a day, the number of tests at the beginning of July was 3 to 4 times that so the system is being loaded. Something else that I read (it's in one of the links I posted up thread) is that the new PCR tests are so sensitive and looking for specific viral proteins that they also give a positive result for non-infective partial virus remaining after the patient's body has successfully stopped an infection and that so called 'asymptomatic' positive subjects are still shedding dead viruses and were never infective. This matches the walk back about how long 'the virus survived on surfaces' where it was also found the positive was not to live virus but to the dead non-infective virus 'remains' as the PCR test found the proteins it was set up to test for. It seems that there are similar issues with reporting of 'antibody' testing with the media apparently wrongly believing that antibodies remain in the blood forever after an infection. So now there are repeated reports of 'antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 disappear from the blood after only 3 months'..... Well yes - that is what antibodies do. However, 'memory b-cells' to that infection remain in the bone marrow and antibodies will be regenerated immediately T-cells (?) flag the presence of those foreign proteins. This of course means that serology testing is a waste of time more than a couple of months after an infection. As I said above medical metrology is a total failure not helped by deliberate attempts to mislead and total misunderstandings by ' do you want fries with that' fashion editors repurposed as 'our COVID-19 reporter'.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 17, 2020 17:15:08 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jul 18, 2020 13:12:47 GMT
Victorian premier Dan 'China' Andrews:
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 18, 2020 17:26:07 GMT
This sounds so much like project fear. From densely populated places like London the virus did not infect every person. Indeed, very few in percentage terms are susceptible and many of those have just a minor illness or none at all. Yes for people with co-morbidities, those above 75 and those with dietary insufficiencies it is not a nice illness. But we are not talking about a plague that will kill 40% - 50% of the population like the Black Death ( blackdeathfacts.com/) at most 1% of those infected may die but those figures are skewed by poor decisions to send infected patients to care homes. The overall CFR may be less than half a percent. So why are the medical community so intent on casting SARS-CoV-2 as if it was a new Black Death when it is not even up to the level of the 1918 'Spanish' Flu? I detect a kind of disappointment that the pandemic has not been as deadly - the kind you see with meteorologists when a Cat 4 hurricane drops to Cat 2 as it comes ashore They really really WANT a black death level pandemic and are rooting for a 'second wave' Something just does not 'feel' right here.
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Post by Ratty on Jul 19, 2020 8:08:19 GMT
[ Snip] So why are the medical community so intent on casting SARS-CoV-2 as if it was a new Black Death when it is not even up to the level of the 1918 'Spanish' Flu? I detect a kind of disappointment that the pandemic has not been as deadly - the kind you see with meteorologists when a Cat 4 hurricane drops to Cat 2 as it comes ashore They really really WANT a black death level pandemic and are rooting for a 'second wave' Something just does not 'feel' right here. Every last drop of alarm is being wrung out of the virus story here in Australia by the media (main culprits) and by stern-faced medicos on TV.
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 19, 2020 8:52:54 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Jul 19, 2020 11:27:46 GMT
Do asses gather in herds .... for immunity?
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 19, 2020 13:44:12 GMT
"PETER HITCHENS: Face masks turn us into voiceless submissives - and it’s not science forcing us to wear them, it’s politics
In the name of Covid, the State has already thrust itself into every corner of our existence.
It has come between husbands and wives at the ends of their lives. It has forbidden the old to embrace their grandchildren.
It has denied us funerals and weddings, locked the churches, silenced the ancient monastic music of cathedral choirs and prevented the free worship of God for the first time in 800 years, and banned us (unless we are Left-wing) from holding or attending public meetings.
It has ordered us to stay at home, scolded or fined us for sunbathing, going on country rambles or even entering our front gardens.
...........Now it presumes to tell us what to wear. And what it wants us to wear is a soggy cloth muzzle, a face-nappy [US-face-diaper] that turns its wearer from a normal human into a mumbling, mouthless submissive.
And this, it seems, is popular. Is there nothing the modern British people will not put up with? Britain’s muzzle consumption is now so high that six months from now there will be reports of dolphins and whales floundering about in an ocean made sticky by millions of gallons of hand-sanitiser, as they choke on congealed clumps of used muzzles. These items are set to become the new plastic bags.
Why is this frenzy taking place?........
......Why is this frenzy taking place?
Here is a clue. On July 12, Deborah Cohen, the medical correspondent of BBC2’s Newsnight, revealed an astonishing thing. The World Health Organisation (WHO) had reversed its advice on face masks, from ‘don’t wear them’ to ‘do wear them’.
But the key fact was that it had not done so because of scientific information – the evidence had not backed the wearing of face coverings – but because of political lobbying.
She revealed on Twitter that: ‘We had been told by various sources [that the] WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying.’ She said the BBC had then put this to the WHO, which did not deny it......"Full Article here> www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8537489/PETER-HITCHENS-Face-masks-turn-voiceless-submissives.html
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 19, 2020 14:40:01 GMT
"PETER HITCHENS: Face masks turn us into voiceless submissives - and it’s not science forcing us to wear them, it’s politics
In the name of Covid, the State has already thrust itself into every corner of our existence.
It has come between husbands and wives at the ends of their lives. It has forbidden the old to embrace their grandchildren.
It has denied us funerals and weddings, locked the churches, silenced the ancient monastic music of cathedral choirs and prevented the free worship of God for the first time in 800 years, and banned us (unless we are Left-wing) from holding or attending public meetings.
It has ordered us to stay at home, scolded or fined us for sunbathing, going on country rambles or even entering our front gardens.
...........Now it presumes to tell us what to wear. And what it wants us to wear is a soggy cloth muzzle, a face-nappy [US-face-diaper] that turns its wearer from a normal human into a mumbling, mouthless submissive.
And this, it seems, is popular. Is there nothing the modern British people will not put up with? Britain’s muzzle consumption is now so high that six months from now there will be reports of dolphins and whales floundering about in an ocean made sticky by millions of gallons of hand-sanitiser, as they choke on congealed clumps of used muzzles. These items are set to become the new plastic bags.
Why is this frenzy taking place?........
......Why is this frenzy taking place?
Here is a clue. On July 12, Deborah Cohen, the medical correspondent of BBC2’s Newsnight, revealed an astonishing thing. The World Health Organisation (WHO) had reversed its advice on face masks, from ‘don’t wear them’ to ‘do wear them’.
But the key fact was that it had not done so because of scientific information – the evidence had not backed the wearing of face coverings – but because of political lobbying.
She revealed on Twitter that: ‘We had been told by various sources [that the] WHO committee reviewing the evidence had not backed masks but they recommended them due to political lobbying.’ She said the BBC had then put this to the WHO, which did not deny it......"Full Article here> www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8537489/PETER-HITCHENS-Face-masks-turn-voiceless-submissives.html To add a quote to the set above that I think is important and should be followed up: Why are the officials in PHE still in their jobs?
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 19, 2020 15:20:40 GMT
You do not see the minions of the mob wearing masks ... aside the more timid white fringe ... or the anarchist element, which uses the full head shield, partially for physical protection, and partially to hide identity (the old fashioned reason).
But the muzzle is a badge of subservience and submission. Anyone who dons it publicly is agreeing to the Government’s crazy assessment of the level of danger.
Societies in which citizens are discouraged from speaking out against the regime, as this has become, are pretty disgraceful. But countries where the citizens are compelled to endorse the opinion of the state are a serious step further down the path to totalitarianism.
It is even worse than that.
Look at the muzzled multitudes, their wide eyes peering out anxiously from above the hideous gag which obscures half their faces and turns them from normal human beings into mouthless, obedient submissives. The psychological effect of these garments, on those who wear them, is huge.
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