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Post by Ratty on Jul 20, 2020 1:11:38 GMT
Excellent piece from Hitchens.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 20, 2020 13:02:10 GMT
Someone asked online who was it that put political pressure on the World Health Organization to volte face and say everyone should wear masks for protection against COVID-19 In response someone provided this diagram ( it must be true it is from the internet) which does re-raise some issues....
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Post by missouriboy on Jul 20, 2020 14:06:14 GMT
Do asses gather in herds .... for immunity? I've herd that.
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Post by Ratty on Jul 21, 2020 0:07:22 GMT
Do asses gather in herds .... for immunity? I've herd that.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 21, 2020 17:55:23 GMT
A Paper from CDC on mask efficacy or not... "Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures
Abstract
There were 3 influenza pandemics in the 20th century, and there has been 1 so far in the 21st century. Local, national, and international health authorities regularly update their plans for mitigating the next influenza pandemic in light of the latest available evidence on the effectiveness of various control measures in reducing transmission. Here, we review the evidence base on the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical personal protective measures and environmental hygiene measures in nonhealthcare settings and discuss their potential inclusion in pandemic plans. Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. We identified several major knowledge gaps requiring further research, most fundamentally an improved characterization of the modes of person-to-person transmission. "wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 21, 2020 20:06:27 GMT
"Nearly three times as many people are now dying from flu and pneumonia than coronavirus as Covid-19 deaths drop to the lowest levels in England and Wales since a fortnight before lockdown
In the week that ended July 10, 283 people were killed by the coronavirus — down from 418 a week earlier It is the lowest figure since the week ending March 13, 10 days before lockdown, ONS figures revealed today And data showed deaths of any cause in England and Wales are now the lowest they have been all year"www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8544093/Coronavirus-deaths-drop-lowest-levels-lockdown.html
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 21, 2020 21:14:57 GMT
"THE PROOF: Millions forced by Law to wear masks that are completely useless.
Revealed: The US Center for Disease control has zero confidence in Covid face masks. Does this make them denialist fanatics? Radio 4 thinks it does.
Now pay attention, because the following thing gets tricky here and there.
An N95 mask is designed for use in a contaminated environment: for argument’s sake, it’s the one to wear when dealing with a roomfull of dead Covid victims. The mask filters the air you inhale, but not your exhalation. So it’s not, repeat not, the one to wear if you are yourself infected. If you are, you should be in hospital. The N95 mask will not tell you if you’re infected – for that you need a test. But if you have had a negative test to Covid19 and you don’t want to catch it from someone else, the the N95 is the one for you. That’s why our leaders are issued with them….and we aren’t.
A surgical mask is what sawbones and theatre nurses use when they are perhaps carrying germs and don’t want to infect anyone else, for example the patient lying there with his stomach unzipped while you say things like “swab Nurse” and so forth. It filters the exhaled breath of the surgeon, but not the inhaled breath….so if Johnny Patient has tertiary bubonic plague, well, there’s another good reason not to become a surgeon. Whatever: it’s no use outside of a sterile area. In fact, it kinda leaves you wondering just whatTF they’re for anyway. Or indeed, how surgeons get life insurance.
And so we arrive in triumph at the masks we, the Lucky Ones, get to wear, The Cloth Mask . As you can see from the lower page capure above, the CDC opens with the encouraging promise ‘DO NOT FILTER ANYTHING’. OK, these are the ones on sale to us, and a body headed by no less a personage that Beelzebub Fauci himself advises as follows:"Continues here:> hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/07/21/the-proof-millions-forced-by-law-to-wear-masks-that-are-completely-useless/
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Post by acidohm on Jul 22, 2020 5:41:58 GMT
With masks there's 2 aspects.
Would they protect you in a virus laden environment.
Would they reduce your chances of infection in a borderline circumstance.
Infection rates need to reduce.
If you stay away as much as possible from potentially virus laden environments and reduce infection from borderline circumstances, your chances of infection are reduced.
Everyone wants economies to keep going.
Just wear the mask ffs.
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Post by sigurdur on Jul 22, 2020 12:22:06 GMT
With masks there's 2 aspects. Would they protect you in a virus laden environment. Would they reduce your chances of infection in a borderline circumstance. Infection rates need to reduce. If you stay away as much as possible from potentially virus laden environments and reduce infection from borderline circumstances, your chances of infection are reduced. Everyone wants economies to keep going. Just wear the mask ffs. There are 2 elements at work here. 1. Science: A. The publications are very clear. Cloth masks are very ineffective against a virus because the dog gone virus is so small. 2. Social feelings of safety: A. People, by wearing masks, feel they are doing something. B. I was in Fargo yesterday. Watching people with masks on, I cringed. They continuously fiddled with the dog gone things. C. IF a person wants effective control of spread, wash your hands. Get a pair of safety glasses!!!! The main reason people don't wear safety glasses is they have a tendency to fog up. Well..........guess what is in the moist plume of air that is being expressed? Virus!!! D. As a farmer, the MAJOR entry point for ALL kinds of things is your EYES! IF you are worried about large droplets of virus laden material, protect your EYES!
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 22, 2020 12:26:50 GMT
After running a fever of 102 Sunday night we took my 10 year old daughter to the doctor on Monday. She tested positive for strep throat so we thought we dodged a bullet. The good dr. went ahead and tested her for covid as a precaution and we received the results yesterday.
Positive.
She is now asymptomatic from both covid and strep throat so the clock is ticking on our 10 day quarantine.
The problem is my son Remy is a cancer survivor 18 months removed from chemotherapy. He is no longer immunocompromised but side effects from the treatments have left him with both lung and heart function on the lower side of normal for someone his age. We are waiting for the oncologists best recommendations now.
As far as wearing masks? I do it in public as required. I think the consensus is the benefits are small. Very small. But if it helps even a little I can live with it.
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Post by acidohm on Jul 22, 2020 13:17:56 GMT
After running a fever of 102 Sunday night we took my 10 year old daughter to the doctor on Monday. She tested positive for strep throat so we thought we dodged a bullet. The good dr. went ahead and tested her for covid as a precaution and we received the results yesterday. Positive. She is now asymptomatic from both covid and strep throat so the clock is ticking on our 10 day quarantine. The problem is my son Remy is a cancer survivor 18 months removed from chemotherapy. He is no longer immunocompromised but side effects from the treatments have left him with both lung and heart function on the lower side of normal for someone his age. We are waiting for the oncologists best recommendations now. As far as wearing masks? I do it in public as required. I think the consensus is the benefits are small. Very small. But if it helps even a little I can live with it. All the best to your family glenn, speedy recovery 👍🏻
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Post by acidohm on Jul 22, 2020 13:21:36 GMT
With masks there's 2 aspects. Would they protect you in a virus laden environment. Would they reduce your chances of infection in a borderline circumstance. Infection rates need to reduce. If you stay away as much as possible from potentially virus laden environments and reduce infection from borderline circumstances, your chances of infection are reduced. Everyone wants economies to keep going. Just wear the mask ffs. There are 2 elements at work here. 1. Science: A. The publications are very clear. Cloth masks are very ineffective against a virus because the dog gone virus is so small. 2. Social feelings of safety: A. People, by wearing masks, feel they are doing something. B. I was in Fargo yesterday. Watching people with masks on, I cringed. They continuously fiddled with the dog gone things. C. IF a person wants effective control of spread, wash your hands. Get a pair of safety glasses!!!! The main reason people don't wear safety glasses is they have a tendency to fog up. Well..........guess what is in the moist plume of air that is being expressed? Virus!!! D. As a farmer, the MAJOR entry point for ALL kinds of things is your EYES! IF you are worried about large droplets of virus laden material, protect your EYES! Masks are to keep virus contained to infected rather then something to rely on preventatively imo. Mainly....stay away from groups of people indoors! Goodpoint about glasses tho.
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Post by glennkoks on Jul 22, 2020 13:26:10 GMT
After running a fever of 102 Sunday night we took my 10 year old daughter to the doctor on Monday. She tested positive for strep throat so we thought we dodged a bullet. The good dr. went ahead and tested her for covid as a precaution and we received the results yesterday. Positive. She is now asymptomatic from both covid and strep throat so the clock is ticking on our 10 day quarantine. The problem is my son Remy is a cancer survivor 18 months removed from chemotherapy. He is no longer immunocompromised but side effects from the treatments have left him with both lung and heart function on the lower side of normal for someone his age. We are waiting for the oncologists best recommendations now. As far as wearing masks? I do it in public as required. I think the consensus is the benefits are small. Very small. But if it helps even a little I can live with it. All the best to your family glenn, speedy recovery 👍🏻 Thank you. She has been just fine since Monday.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 22, 2020 14:35:18 GMT
After running a fever of 102 Sunday night we took my 10 year old daughter to the doctor on Monday. She tested positive for strep throat so we thought we dodged a bullet. The good dr. went ahead and tested her for covid as a precaution and we received the results yesterday. Positive. She is now asymptomatic from both covid and strep throat so the clock is ticking on our 10 day quarantine. The problem is my son Remy is a cancer survivor 18 months removed from chemotherapy. He is no longer immunocompromised but side effects from the treatments have left him with both lung and heart function on the lower side of normal for someone his age. We are waiting for the oncologists best recommendations now. As far as wearing masks? I do it in public as required. I think the consensus is the benefits are small. Very small. But if it helps even a little I can live with it. Sorry to hear that Glen The research is all on the good side for you all though. Your daughter should remain asymptomatic and not be able to pass on COVID-19 infection to anyone else.
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Post by nautonnier on Jul 22, 2020 16:10:18 GMT
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