|
Post by nautonnier on Jul 22, 2020 16:38:37 GMT
A Janice Dean article "........ My family didn't have to dieMany of us aren’t laughing. My husband’s parents died of coronavirus in their elder care facilities. We lost his dad in late March and his mom two weeks later. My family wasn’t able to see them before they died, they weren’t given last rites, wakes, or funerals. They died alone. Mickey and Dee Newman spent their entire lives in Brooklyn. They were true New Yorkers. Mickey was a retired New York City Fire Department firefighter who served in the U.S. Air Force. Dee helped raised three kids and was a devoted grandmother. They lived in a four story walk up in Brooklyn for 50 years, until their health deteriorated and they required constant care. They died only a few months after being placed in their elderly care homes. Not a day goes by where we don’t think of them......." Much more here:> www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/07/22/andrew-cuomo-nursing-homes-coronavirus-janice-dean-new-york-column/5472713002/
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jul 22, 2020 17:23:31 GMT
"Something is rotten in the state of" Florida... "Fox 4 has also received reports of this happening. People have said they submitted their contact information at a COVID-19 testing site, but after seeing how long the line was, they decided not to wait an hour or more to get the test. Nevertheless, a few days later, they got an email or a phone call telling them that they tested positive.
“Twenty-two labs reported 100-percent positivity rates. Two labs reported 91.18-percent positivity rates,” as Breitbart News detailed:
The Florida Department of Health’s stated positivity rates and associated volume of coronavirus cases does not match claims made by the testing facilities, reported FOX 35:
Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 found that testing sites like Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive.
How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report.
The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health’s positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report."www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/21/gov-desantis-calls-for-investigation-as-those-not-tested-for-coronavirus-receive-positive-results/
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jul 22, 2020 19:09:48 GMT
And again....
"There is MASSIVE fraud taking place in COVID-19 reporting, which is clearly occurring for political purposes and should be declared a criminal act. I know people who signed up to be tested but never received a test because the line was too long. They subsequently were told they tested POSITIVE when they never were tested. Then people were recorded as POSITIVE when they only tested to see if they had antibodies."
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Jul 23, 2020 6:14:06 GMT
After running a fever of 102 Sunday night we took my 10 year old daughter to the doctor on Monday. She tested positive for strep throat so we thought we dodged a bullet. The good dr. went ahead and tested her for covid as a precaution and we received the results yesterday. Positive. She is now asymptomatic from both covid and strep throat so the clock is ticking on our 10 day quarantine. The problem is my son Remy is a cancer survivor 18 months removed from chemotherapy. He is no longer immunocompromised but side effects from the treatments have left him with both lung and heart function on the lower side of normal for someone his age. We are waiting for the oncologists best recommendations now. As far as wearing masks? I do it in public as required. I think the consensus is the benefits are small. Very small. But if it helps even a little I can live with it. All the best from Down Under, Glenn.
|
|
|
Post by missouriboy on Jul 23, 2020 7:23:05 GMT
After running a fever of 102 Sunday night we took my 10 year old daughter to the doctor on Monday. She tested positive for strep throat so we thought we dodged a bullet. The good dr. went ahead and tested her for covid as a precaution and we received the results yesterday. Positive. She is now asymptomatic from both covid and strep throat so the clock is ticking on our 10 day quarantine. The problem is my son Remy is a cancer survivor 18 months removed from chemotherapy. He is no longer immunocompromised but side effects from the treatments have left him with both lung and heart function on the lower side of normal for someone his age. We are waiting for the oncologists best recommendations now. As far as wearing masks? I do it in public as required. I think the consensus is the benefits are small. Very small. But if it helps even a little I can live with it. Marta and my prayers for a fast and speedy recovery with no further transmission. I'm getting a little tired of the mask when we go out. May dress it up with some flowers. The pollenizers may help enforce social distancing.
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jul 23, 2020 10:50:03 GMT
After running a fever of 102 Sunday night we took my 10 year old daughter to the doctor on Monday. She tested positive for strep throat so we thought we dodged a bullet. The good dr. went ahead and tested her for covid as a precaution and we received the results yesterday. Positive. She is now asymptomatic from both covid and strep throat so the clock is ticking on our 10 day quarantine. The problem is my son Remy is a cancer survivor 18 months removed from chemotherapy. He is no longer immunocompromised but side effects from the treatments have left him with both lung and heart function on the lower side of normal for someone his age. We are waiting for the oncologists best recommendations now. As far as wearing masks? I do it in public as required. I think the consensus is the benefits are small. Very small. But if it helps even a little I can live with it. Marta and my prayers for a fast and speedy recovery with no further transmission. I'm getting a little tired of the mask when we go out. May dress it up with some flowers. The pollenizers may help enforce social distancing. Try a necklace of garlic that worked for vampires and carry a posy of flowers that 'worked' for the black death Was ordering some electrics at a wholesaler yesterday and the saleslady there (wearing a chin mask) was muttering about how foolish the masks were apparently other half was an infection control nurse and spent a long time shouting at the television on the same subject.
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Jul 23, 2020 12:43:49 GMT
Most people will not benefit from wearing a surgical mask. Masks are of benefit to people who are sick so they don’t cough on others, and health care workers who have frequent, close contact with sick people.
Surgical masks in the community are only helpful in preventing people who have coronavirus disease from spreading it to others. If you are well, you do not need to wear a surgical mask as ** there is little evidence supporting the widespread use of surgical masks ** in healthy people to prevent transmission in public. See Australian Government info: Information on the use of surgical masks
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jul 23, 2020 14:48:33 GMT
"Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows" www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows-idUSKBN23X2HQAnother way of looking at this - as the article states is: "There was the potential for a false positive due to the virus’ similarities with other respiratory infections." The PCR tests apparently look for a set of areas in the RNA on the assumption that the chosen set of areas is specific to SARS-CoV-2. But what if the common cold corona viruses have similar or even identical areas due to their natural development in human hosts? This leads to the possibility that the COVID-19 tests being used are not specific to SARS-CoV-2 but may also be giving positives on common cold corona viruses. There are still COVID-19 cases there but the vast majority are actually false positives Imagine shutting down travel to Europe because of summer colds in Arizona, Texas and Florida -- could never happen could it? This would also explain the vast numbers of 'asymptomatic positive' cases - they haven't got COVID-19 at all
|
|
|
Post by phydeaux2363 on Jul 23, 2020 17:39:13 GMT
"This would also explain the vast numbers of 'asymptomatic positive' cases - they haven't got COVID-19 at all." I hope you will forgive me, Mr. Naut, for using this quote as a jumping off point for my latest rant.
The landscape on which the Corona Virus hysteria began, and is maintained, has mutated several times over the past five months, but still maintains traces of its original topography. Originally, as many now seem to have forgotten, we needed to lock down for a month or so to "flatten the curve;" that is, avoid overwhelming the healthcare system with the sick and dying until the virus started burning out or we understood and treated it better. When the hospital ships and temporary facilities stayed empty, the focus shifted to deaths, which were compared to Civil War or WWI battle casualties. When the daily death toll dropped by two thirds but testing ramped up, we were bombarded with the "daily new case" rate, which variously "spiked, " "surged," "skyrocketed" or "leapt" to frightening pandemic highs. As the media pumped fear into the populace with each terrain change, it conveniently began to first ignore, and then memory hole, the earlier landscapes, while always leaving a little leeway to revive them if the need arose (witness the occasional "hospitals in . . . may be strained if new cases don't drop" stories that still periodically appear in the media). Below the surface of all these narratives has been the need, by both the medical folks who advocated extreme measures, and those who ordered (and continue to order ) them to justify their decisions to "lockdown" people, and shutdown commerce, which naturally, led to economic destruction, the full extent of which has yet to manifest.
As people started questioning both the efficacy and wisdom of the lockdowns, each new justification was given background support. "Models tell us there will be millions of deaths. We must lockdown." "Reopening bars and restaurants ( but not large and persistent public demonstrations and riots) led to a spike in new cases that will hit the 100,000s a day mark-better shutter the bars and beaches again." And now, as people start to question the latest numbers and what they mean, we get to the latest and most powerful justification for everything from masks, to social distancing to lockdowns to not going to grandma's funeral; the ultimate COVID 19 wildcard--asymptomatic spread! Yes, unlike almost any virus in the past, this virus is not only spread by sick people, who can be quarantined thereby slowing the spread, but this virus can be spread far and wide over hill and over dale (except after curfews in cities where "mostly peaceful" riots are occurring) by folks who don't feel sick, act sick, look sick, or in anyway are sick. What a powerful tool this is for spreading fear, distrust and panic. ANYONE you see ANYWHERE at ANYTIME could make you sick and KILL you! And so tens of millions have retreated in fear into their homes, never to venture forth until there is a vaccine (which will be no small feat given this is a corona virus).
Now to my point. ("Thank God," I can hear you whisper, assuming you are still reading.) What about the concept of "asymptomatic (or pre-symptomatic) transmission of a virus? Is that a real thing? A real danger? When I research the concept on line, I get a lot of vague assurances that,"of course it can happen! We did a study!" No details of what study, how it was conducted, and what the results were. Nothing that can be falsified, or even reproduced. Just certainty that the concept is true, followed by the now ubiquitous sneering that I must be a Trumpkin science denying Neanderthal racist if I don't just accept their assurances at fave value. I actually had a friend tell me my questions about asymptomatic spread put me "on the wrong side of history."
So, can any of the wise and learned folks on this board direct me to something that will make me accept asymptomatic spread as a given, so I can crawl into my hidy hole, never to be seen again? After all, I am old and suffer from (Mostly self induced) co-morbitities. If everyone i meet out there can kill me, maybe i should stay home and practice my writing!
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Jul 23, 2020 18:10:37 GMT
Asymptomatic spread is possible. The reality is it is not probable. The virus load just isn't high enough.
My comment is based on pre Covid19 science publications.
|
|
|
Post by nautonnier on Jul 23, 2020 18:53:23 GMT
Not a problem Phydeaux. However, you may find the need for another rant after reading this article so you should (as any other reader) get a refill of your favorite beverage and read a rather illuminating article that I find difficult to believe.... It says inter alia “How could the CDC make that mistake? This is a mess,” said Ashish Jha, the K. T. Li Professor of Global Health at Harvard and director of the Harvard Global Health Institute.
In some ways the “mess” was no surprise. Two weeks earlier, Dr. Deborah Leah Birx, the White House's coronavirus task force response coordinator, reportedly ripped the agency in a meeting, saying "there is nothing from the CDC that I can trust."
Birx’s concerns about the CDC’s data did not alleviate concerns of data manipulation.and... "A few days earlier, it was announced that Texas had removed 3,484 cases from its positive Covid-19 case count because the San Antonio Health Department was reporting “probable” cases. None of the people had actually tested positive for COVID-19."To use a phrase that is more anglo saxon than American - it's a real buggers muddle. "John Ioannidis Warned COVID-19 Could Be a “Once-In-A-Century” Data Fiasco. He Was Right The unreliability of COVID-19 data is a problem everyone seems to agree on.
On Thursday, a Florida health official told a local news station that a young man who was listed as a COVID-19 victim had no underlying conditions.
The answer surprised reporters, who probed for additional information.
“He died in a motorcycle accident,” Dr. Raul Pino clarified. “You could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash. I don’t know the conclusion of that one.”
The anecdote is a ridiculous example of a real controversy that has inspired some colorful memes: what should define a COVID-19 death?
While the question is important, such incidents may be just the tip of the proverbial iceberg regarding the unreliability of COVID-19 data."Get another beverage and continue reading here:> fee.org/articles/john-ioannidis-warned-covid-19-could-be-a-once-in-a-century-data-fiasco-he-was-right/
|
|
|
Post by missouriboy on Jul 23, 2020 23:11:35 GMT
Marta and my prayers for a fast and speedy recovery with no further transmission. I'm getting a little tired of the mask when we go out. May dress it up with some flowers. The pollenizers may help enforce social distancing. Try a necklace of garlic that worked for vampires and carry a posy of flowers that 'worked' for the black death Was ordering some electrics at a wholesaler yesterday and the saleslady there (wearing a chin mask) was muttering about how foolish the masks were apparently other half was an infection control nurse and spent a long time shouting at the television on the same subject. Shouting at a television can be great therapy. They say Elvis used a shotgun.
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Jul 24, 2020 0:12:40 GMT
|
|
|
Post by sigurdur on Jul 24, 2020 0:13:02 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Ratty on Jul 24, 2020 1:34:10 GMT
|
|