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Post by nautonnier on Sept 8, 2020 19:20:41 GMT
Earlier, I mentioned my granddaughter who was doing an engineering summer internship with one of the major drug companies via the internet. The internship is over and she is starting her senior year and has just received a full-time job offer over the phone from the company. Again this is without ever having visited the company or talked to any employee face-to-face. She is not the only one who has received a full-time offer. That’s the COVID/technology -driven new world. My granddaughter says there are already 833 reported COVID cases at her university of 20,000 students with fall classes just starting. None of the students have required hospitalization so far. Good news. Of course what they mean by 'cases' is PCR tests that after 40 amplification iterations have found some RNA particles that match SARS-CoV-2. In real medicine cases are people that have symptoms and which when tested have a particular virus. I sense a narrative being supported. I wonder how suddenly after November 3rd these cases will drop?
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 8, 2020 20:12:43 GMT
Ratty, all the precautions about a Chinese invasion and they are already in government in Oz.
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 8, 2020 23:39:24 GMT
Lest we forget
Just after the impeachment....
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 9, 2020 0:22:42 GMT
The wsj refuses my advances without payment. powerful ability to infect and spread; ‘We underestimated it.’ By Robert Lee Hotz and Natasha Khan Sept. 7, 2020 1:14 pm ET SAVE SHARE TEXT 81 RESPONSES The new coronavirus is a killer with a crowbar, breaking and entering human cells with impunity. It hitchhikes across continents carried on coughs and careless hands, driven by its own urgent necessity to survive. It has a gregarious side that makes it hard to resist. It loves a party. The persistent social climber claims its victims around the world by riding on moments of the most innocent of human interactions—a shared laugh, a conversation, an embrace. And it is a liar. SARS-CoV-2, which causes Covid-19, often misleads the body’s immune systems. Taken on its own terms, SARS-CoV-2 is the infectious disease success of the past 100 years. Almost unmatched in the annals of emerging human contagions, it has parlayed a few chance infections into a pandemic of around 27 million confirmed cases so far. Doctors long expected the advent of such a virus, but even so, the shrewdness of the coronavirus caught many by surprise, and goes a long way to explaining how the world has struggled to contain it ever since. “We underestimated it,” said Peter Piot, the head of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and a co-discoverer of Ebola, who fell victim to the coronavirus himself in March.
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 9, 2020 0:23:38 GMT
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Post by Ratty on Sept 9, 2020 1:04:54 GMT
Ratty, all the precautions about a Chinese invasion and they are already in government in Oz. I know. I'm fighting from my study.
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Post by youngjasper on Sept 9, 2020 1:05:34 GMT
The wsj refuses my advances without payment. powerful ability to infect and spread; ‘We underestimated it.’ By Robert Lee Hotz and Natasha Khan Sept. 7, 2020 1:14 pm ET SAVE SHARE TEXT 81 RESPONSES The new coronavirus is a killer with a crowbar, breaking and entering human cells with impunity. It hitchhikes across continents carried on coughs and careless hands, driven by its own urgent necessity to survive. It has a gregarious side that makes it hard to resist. It loves a party. The persistent social climber claims its victims around the world by riding on moments of the most innocent of human interactions—a shared laugh, a conversation, an embrace. And it is a liar. SARS-CoV-2, which causes Covid-19, often misleads the body’s immune systems. Taken on its own terms, SARS-CoV-2 is the infectious disease success of the past 100 years. Almost unmatched in the annals of emerging human contagions, it has parlayed a few chance infections into a pandemic of around 27 million confirmed cases so far. Doctors long expected the advent of such a virus, but even so, the shrewdness of the coronavirus caught many by surprise, and goes a long way to explaining how the world has struggled to contain it ever since. “We underestimated it,” said Peter Piot, the head of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and a co-discoverer of Ebola, who fell victim to the coronavirus himself in March. And therefore we never needed the overflow hospitals in tents, gymnasiums, or ships...
And therefore we never report the number of asymptomatic cases (or conversely, cases with actual symptoms), only cases identified by "positive" test results, which includes dead people that were never alive when the test was conducted and people still alive that were never actually tested.
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 9, 2020 2:04:59 GMT
Yep. An election is coming. Around the world, Covid19 will miraculously disappear after the election.
I personally think Minnesota is going to vote for Trump. The Iron range is switching from reliable Democrats to Trump supporters. The number of Trump signs is overwhelming.
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 9, 2020 14:07:15 GMT
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Post by duwayne on Sept 9, 2020 15:04:45 GMT
The first large US wave of COVID-19 infections peaked in April with a reported (7-day average) of 31,100 cases. Deaths peaked several days later at 2,250 cases. A second peak in cases occurred in July with a reported 69,200 cases or more than twice the previous peak. The second peak in deaths was about half the previous peak (1,160) despite more than twice the reported cases. The reason for the disparity is the first peak was mostly limited to symptomatic cases while the second peak included non-symptomatic cases. This chart from The Ethical Skeptic is based on all infectious cases, symptomatic plus non-symptomatic for all dates which provides a much clearer picture of the history of COVID-19 in the US. It's estimated that around 16% of the US population has been infected by COVID-19. Note:iCFR is the fatality rate based on all infectious cases. sCFR is the fatality rate based on symptomatic cases and is more typical of the reported fatalies for the past flu epidemics. theethicalskeptic.com/
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 10, 2020 15:10:54 GMT
"South Dakota governor says infection stats are MADE UP as she defends Motorcycle Rally attendees after the 'super-spreading' event is blamed for 250,000 coronavirus infections
Gov. Kristi Noem dismissed the study by the IZA Institute of Labor Economics She said the researchers had 'made up some numbers and published them' Economists deemed Sturgis Motorcycle Rally a 'super-spreading event' that's responsible more than 260,000 COVID-19 cases The estimated public health costs for treating patients whose infections are linked to the event will be roughly $12.2 billion, the institute said The 10-day event took place between August 7 and August 14 in the town of Sturgis, which has a native population of just 7,000 people Noem had previously said the study was 'fiction', and criticized journalists who reported on it, while defending rally attendees "www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8717487/South-Dakota-governor-says-infection-stats-UP.html
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Post by duwayne on Sept 10, 2020 17:29:48 GMT
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Post by duwayne on Sept 10, 2020 18:01:55 GMT
There are 8 COVOID-19 vaccines in Phase III testing which is the final step before seeking governmental approval for distribution to the public. There may be some promising information before the election.
But, in today's world, can you imagine the temptation for a trump-hater to find a person who is part of the test group and slip them a "questionable" material?
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Post by nautonnier on Sept 10, 2020 18:23:30 GMT
I think it is the innate immune system that is important and can cope with a small viral load in most people. Also people with recent exposure to 'common cold' corona virus infections whose adaptive immune system is not 'naive' can rapidly generate 'good enough for government work' antibodies. Then all the other additional helps, female, group O blood, had a BCG TB vaccination, sufficient in zinc, vitamin D. It is apparent that there are around 90% of people that are immune to SARS-CoV-2 infection. Of the remainder 5% will be asymptomatic, 4% are symptomatic, 1% require hospitalization and 0.2% or less will die. These are all just from looking at infection rates. Even NYC with the care home failures did not have more than 1% of population hospitalized. It all makes you wonder what the panic is about. Had Ferguson of Imperial College taken a sabbatical for 2019 - 2020, so no model assuming everyone will be infected and >5% cases die, plugged into an amateur iterative program, would there never have been a lock down?
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Post by acementhead1 on Sept 11, 2020 0:54:52 GMT
So to be clear we will all need to achieve herd immunity. Do it in summer and the impact will be vastly better. NZ has a new outbreak, even a nation 1000miles from anywhere is unprotectable. All a lockdown does is change how long the immunity takes and when. We in NZ have saved ours for winter not so smart.The lockdown death rate is hidden from the cameras. The land of "Poly Wash". Sure isn't, but Saint Jacinda is the stupidest PM ever in NZ so no surprise. But you'll remember that "flatten the curve" VERY quickly changed to "beat the virus". We're done for.
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