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Post by missouriboy on Jun 9, 2021 14:07:51 GMT
or you could authorize Ivermectin and be done with it. Vaccinated numbers cant be directly added to the 114M infected because there is a substantial overlap. The Vaccine is good but as we are beginning to realize unlike Ivermectin needs a new version regularly or is that the plan! You are right about the overlaps. I adjusted my estimate above. Ivermectin would seem to be a good option as well but it's not happening. Is anyone here taking it? It apparently is happening in places that can't afford the gold-plated vaccine approach. Marta was talking with a nursing friend in Bogota and ivermectin is making the the rounds, dispensed in baby eyedrop dispensers. Mixed up by 100's (1000s?) of mom and pop pharmacies. Records of success and failure will probably be hard to come by. Maybe not a lot different than India's approach. Only we westerners seem to be corraled into the make-big-pharma-rich approach. The global poor are much more used to taking care of themselves. They have known for ages that their elite do not have their best interest at heart.
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Post by duwayne on Jun 9, 2021 15:21:27 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 9, 2021 16:38:57 GMT
Their stated concern is that "gained immunity" from previous exposure to initial strain(s) of covid will not stop re-infection from certain newly-mutated strains. But the only examples they offer are a few from immuno-compromised patients. If this is a serious problem for the majority of previously-exposed people (and also vaccinated people?), then they need more documented, undeniable samples. Otherwise it takes on a Chicken Little feel. This would seem to be a place where large covid antibody samples would be useful. Are all types of people with exposure-induced antibodies (from original strain(s)) getting re-infected? NOTE: I found a reference that Kroger pharmacies were offering cheap ($25) covid antibody tests last year. I went to Krogers to check. Seems thay are no longer doing that. I was dissappointed.
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 9, 2021 18:52:14 GMT
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Post by duwayne on Jun 9, 2021 18:55:28 GMT
Their stated concern is that "gained immunity" from previous exposure to initial strain(s) of covid will not stop re-infection from certain newly-mutated strains. But the only examples they offer are a few from immuno-compromised patients. If this is a serious problem for the majority of previously-exposed people (and also vaccinated people?), then they need more documented, undeniable samples. Otherwise it takes on a Chicken Little feel. This would seem to be a place where large covid antibody samples would be useful. Are all types of people with exposure-induced antibodies (from original strain(s)) getting re-infected? NOTE: I found a reference that Kroger pharmacies were offering cheap ($25) covid antibody tests last year. I went to Krogers to check. Seems thay are no longer doing that. I was dissappointed. People are used to influenza where new strains render vaccines and immunity from previous infections useless in less than a year. This article notes that... "Unlike other RNA viruses, coronaviruses possess a proofreading function (when the body makes copies of the virus), an enzyme known as Nsp14. Nsp14 corrects most mistakes in the transcription, but not all. Coronaviruses mutate to a lesser degree than what we see with things like influenza."
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 9, 2021 19:36:23 GMT
Their stated concern is that "gained immunity" from previous exposure to initial strain(s) of covid will not stop re-infection from certain newly-mutated strains. But the only examples they offer are a few from immuno-compromised patients. If this is a serious problem for the majority of previously-exposed people (and also vaccinated people?), then they need more documented, undeniable samples. Otherwise it takes on a Chicken Little feel. This would seem to be a place where large covid antibody samples would be useful. Are all types of people with exposure-induced antibodies (from original strain(s)) getting re-infected? NOTE: I found a reference that Kroger pharmacies were offering cheap ($25) covid antibody tests last year. I went to Krogers to check. Seems thay are no longer doing that. I was dissappointed. People are used to influenza where new strains render vaccines and immunity from previous infections useless in less than a year. This article notes that... "Unlike other RNA viruses, coronaviruses possess a proofreading function (when the body makes copies of the virus), an enzyme known as Nsp14. Nsp14 corrects most mistakes in the transcription, but not all. Coronaviruses mutate to a lesser degree than what we see with things like influenza." From other articles Nsp14 that corrects invalid base pairing, can cause problems in infected patients. www.news-medical.net/news/20210531/SARS-CoV-2-NSP14-induces-potent-inflammation-via-NF-cebaB-pathways-finds-study.aspx
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Post by duwayne on Jun 10, 2021 16:26:01 GMT
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 10, 2021 18:38:11 GMT
"I’LL LEAD you into this article gently, since I’m sure many readers will have had the Covid jab, persuaded by the unremitting propaganda from the NHS and most media sources that it is safe and effective.
The reality as the science of it unravels is that for some it is neither.
I had strongly hoped that it really would be an answer to Covid-19. Despite high levels of immediate reactivity (four out of five in the Pfizer vaccine trial report had mild to moderate side-effects), the manufacturers’ argument that this was a sign of a healthy immune response seemed logical.
We now know differently.
The healthiest response to the virus is for the body to develop natural immunity, which fortunately is what most people do, either with only mild symptoms or no illness at all.
As thousands of doctors have argued, public health efforts should be directed towards strengthening immunity among the vulnerable. Support should be focused on those with a poor diet or other factors putting their immune health at risk, including lack of sunshine and loneliness – the exact opposite of what we saw imposed on the elderly during lockdown.....
......Bridle is a member of the Canadian Covid Care Alliance, a group of independent doctors, scientists and health care practitioners ‘committed to providing top-quality and balanced evidence-based information to the Canadian public about Covid-19 so that hospitalizations can be reduced, lives saved, and our country safely restored as quickly as possible.’ The group has produced this guide as to ‘why parents, teens and children should question the Covid-19 vaccine’."www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vaccine-researcher-weve-made-a-big-mistake/
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 10, 2021 23:37:16 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 11, 2021 16:16:30 GMT
News travels fast along the South American grapevine. Marta is in Fusagasuga (south of Bogota) and Ivermectin is definately in the tool box and is being widely used. Dispensed as liquid in eyedropper bottles. German pharmaceutical brand. The ubiquitous cell phone world and the internet pick up on things (good and bad) quickly.
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 11, 2021 19:38:23 GMT
If you see 'vaccination' as cash cow, then this will not please you; and you (FauXi and Gates) will do all you can to rubbish the finding or at least obfuscate. However, if you want to stop the pandemic and stop suffering then you will see this as brilliant news (and in line with medical thinking for years) Right from the beginning I have said that this pandemic can be easily stopped by changing diet. More zinc, more D3, zinc ionophores (quercetin, quinine, HCQ, ECGC) all sold as immune health supplements OTC and 'buy it now' online. The 'pandemic' was caused by: >CDC/NIH/FDA gain of function research (aimed at profiting from vaccines) >CCP poor lab practices (About the level of a US dentists' office), >Limiting spread in China, delete records, threaten medics have WHO say that human to human spread is not occurring and allow international travel to give it to the world. >Democrat media and big tech - Trump said ( touted) HCQ was promising as a therapeutic - so he was WRONG what does he know so HCQ got worse treatment than Hunter's lap top >Trying to use vaccines for -control (Klaus Schwab/WEF) -Profits FauXi, FDA/CDC Pharma - Emergency use approval cannot be given for vaccines if there is a working therapeutic so HCQ had to be rubbished or FauXi, FDA/CDC Pharma would lose $billions >Destroy capitalism replace with Sino-Marxist fascism And as usual Trump was correct about HCQ Imagine a different world where the politicians wanted the best for the country. HCQ was available in millions of doses, Hundreds of thousands would not have died. The US economy would not have had to be 'locked down'; Trump would have won the 2020 election. But we are in a world where politicians want what is best for their bank accounts, and definitely prefer a few hundred thousand dead Americans to Trump winning another term. Now look where that has got us
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Post by nautonnier on Jun 11, 2021 22:32:34 GMT
"Boris Johnson hints at 'Freedom Day' delay as he says UK must not repeat pandemic 'errors' as Covid R rate hits highest level since October when second wave spiralled and SAGE warns figure may now be 1.4 after Indian variant cases TRIPLE in a week
Variant now makes up nine in 10 Covid cases in England but most in young people and in North West Public Health England confirms it appears to have a 64 per cent transmission advantage over Kent MP Layla Moran said the update 'should set alarm bells ringing in Government as we approach June 21' Ministers are hinting Boris Johnson will delay plans to end lockdown and keep some rules in place for summer "www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9675987/Coronavirus-UK-not-squander-hard-fought-gains-June-Nadhim-Zahawi-says.html
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Post by missouriboy on Jun 13, 2021 23:54:49 GMT
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Post by nonentropic on Jun 14, 2021 0:32:56 GMT
Been thinking about the path this C19 is running. We have well vaccinated countries suddenly seeing casing rising a lot due to the Indian version no explosion in deaths as yet but clearly the vaccine is a failure if no positive tests is the goal. Meanwhile the positive test rate in India keeps falling with the Ivermectin etc. protocols in place. Death rates are rolling along there at 2 deaths/Million/Day. not horrific but still high. As a reference the UK peaked at 25 deaths/Million/Day My take on this is that for the immunity to be complete you need T cell immunity in addition to antibody immunity. They are vaccinating C19 recovered people to disguise this difference but the way to get through this is to get the disease and not die or have the vaccine and get the disease but hopefully at a lower severity. Oh yes there is the immunity option but no money in that for the ruling class.
India and the countries around there are a major embarrassment to the ruling class.
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Post by duwayne on Jun 14, 2021 13:39:47 GMT
Been thinking about the path this C19 is running. We have well vaccinated countries suddenly seeing casing rising a lot due to the Indian version no explosion in deaths as yet but clearly the vaccine is a failure if no positive tests is the goal. Meanwhile the positive test rate in India keeps falling with the Ivermectin etc. protocols in place. Death rates are rolling along there at 2 deaths/Million/Day. not horrific but still high. As a reference the UK peaked at 25 deaths/Million/Day My take on this is that for the immunity to be complete you need T cell immunity in addition to antibody immunity. They are vaccinating C19 recovered people to disguise this difference but the way to get through this is to get the disease and not die or have the vaccine and get the disease but hopefully at a lower severity. Oh yes there is the immunity option but no money in that for the ruling class. India and the countries around there are a major embarrassment to the ruling class. What is the death rate for those who have been vaccinated?
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