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Post by magellan on Sept 20, 2013 3:35:39 GMT
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Post by magellan on Sept 20, 2013 3:38:36 GMT
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Post by magellan on Sept 20, 2013 3:39:52 GMT
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Post by magellan on Sept 20, 2013 3:42:08 GMT
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Post by magellan on Sept 20, 2013 3:47:34 GMT
Apologies to Number1 for overloading his one track mind, but since he's so interested in solar science, I figured why not add one more peer reviewed published article supporting skeptics (which we're told doesn't exist by John Cook & co.) on solar influence on climate. You know, when everything is added up (oceans, clouds, sun, cosmic rays), there's really not much left for CO2. It must really be a magic gas. hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/09/new-paper-relates-natural-60-year.html
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Post by magellan on Sept 20, 2013 3:53:27 GMT
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Post by magellan on Sept 20, 2013 4:11:59 GMT
Just FYI, but when the phrase "statistically significant" is used, many don't understand what it means. Simply, in the case of temperature trends, if the trend does not exceed the uncertainty, it is not "real" aka statistically insignificant. SkS has a neat little tool on their website. We're always told about long term trends, and some mistakenly think a positive or a negative trend is meaningful. So I wondered what would happen if I plugged in August 1989 and August 2013 RSS satellite data into their tool. Guess what? The trend is less than the 2sd uncertainty range even using Rahmstorf and Foster (Tamino) methods. Hoisted by their own petard. ROFL. Original info here: wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/25/rss-flat-for-200-months-now-includes-july-data/
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Post by sigurdur on Sept 20, 2013 15:17:31 GMT
Of course, We all KNOW that the sun has no effect on long term climate. It is all CO2.....ya know?
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 1, 2013 12:58:19 GMT
Looks like the latest in failed hurricanes is on its way toward Espania National Hurricane Center MapThese storms notmally go 'extra-tropical' and then go over the Faroes or Northern Scotland - things are shifting southward which could mean colder weather is on its way already.
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Post by karlox on Oct 1, 2013 16:10:14 GMT
Looks like the latest in failed hurricanes is on its way toward Espania National Hurricane Center MapThese storms notmally go 'extra-tropical' and then go over the Faroes or Northern Scotland - things are shifting southward which could mean colder weather is on its way already. This might be due to a shift of Jerry´s plan due to US Government shutdown? Will take care of it!
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Post by douglavers on Oct 21, 2013 19:52:42 GMT
Meanwhile, back in sunny Australia the south-east is a study in wild contrasts.
About three days ago, the area around Canberra (buried in the centre of New South Wales) had its coldest overnight October temperature on record, at -3.5degC. This was extraordinary so late in the month. Unfortunately, this has almost wiped out the grape crop in the vineyards around our capital.
At the same time, a large part of the eastern side of New South Wales is burning. As of last night, one of the many fires had a 300 km perimeter. Bearing in mind the rugged terrain in the Blue Mountains in particular, this sort of fire is almost uncontrollable when the temperatures are in the high 30s (centigrade) and winds are being experienced between fifty and 100 km/h. Also we have that lovely species of plants called the eucalypt, which has been described as trees with petrol cans at the end of every branch – the leaves have a very high oil content.
Meanwhile, in Victoria, rather further south, it is cold and wet……………
Climate activists in Australia are trying to claim the New South Wales fires are due to global warming.
It appears to be a natural human trait to pick out the parts of a dataset which support your own arguments. I have been quite guilty of this as well.
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Post by nautonnier on Oct 22, 2013 1:06:07 GMT
Meanwhile, back in sunny Australia the south-east is a study in wild contrasts. About three days ago, the area around Canberra (buried in the centre of New South Wales) had its coldest overnight October temperature on record, at -3.5degC. This was extraordinary so late in the month. Unfortunately, this has almost wiped out the grape crop in the vineyards around our capital. At the same time, a large part of the eastern side of New South Wales is burning. As of last night, one of the many fires had a 300 km perimeter. Bearing in mind the rugged terrain in the Blue Mountains in particular, this sort of fire is almost uncontrollable when the temperatures are in the high 30s (centigrade) and winds are being experienced between fifty and 100 km/h. Also we have that lovely species of plants called the eucalypt, which has been described as trees with petrol cans at the end of every branch – the leaves have a very high oil content. Meanwhile, in Victoria, rather further south, it is cold and wet…………… Climate activists in Australia are trying to claim the New South Wales fires are due to global warming. It appears to be a natural human trait to pick out the parts of a dataset which support your own arguments. I have been quite guilty of this as well. I think if you were to check you would find that the humidity in the Canberra area and the Blue Mountains was extremely low. This would allow both the high and low temperature extremes due to the low atmospheric enthalpy.
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Post by douglavers on Oct 22, 2013 3:11:38 GMT
Point taken, but I have no idea where I would find that information. The surprise was the lateness of the frosts.
Canberra tends to have a pretty low humidity anyhow - it is backing on the central/western plains of NSW, which are generally quite dry, and on the prevailing wind side.
Even in Melbourne, in summer with a hot Northerly humidity can reach extremely low levels.
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Post by Andrew on Dec 26, 2013 9:35:52 GMT
I will still keep coming if Serreze goes on TV and says he was wrong. But thats not because I rate my education above his, its because he is still outnumbered on all the references. I doubt he is going on TV though as it seems too unlikely he is wrong. Serreze could though potentially provide other potential mechanisms. If there are any I would be interested in that."Andrew: Yes, I think I see your point. The wording in our post implies that the rapid ice growth caused the warm temperatures, whereas in reality both the rapid ice growth and the warm temperatures were due to the large area of open water that needed to cool after absorbing a significant amount of heat. I passed along your comments to others at NSIDC with thoughts on how, in the future, we can better phrase issues to be clearer and technically correct.A big challenge we face with Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis is trying to make the science both accessible to a wide audience while maintaining the scientific rigor. There are times when we miss the mark. We need people like you to keep us on our toes. -- Mark C. Serreze Director, National Snow and Ice Data Center" LOL! So the argument now is nothing causes anything because everything is caused by something else? ROTFLMAO!!
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Post by douglavers on Jan 14, 2014 23:47:55 GMT
42 degC yesterday, 41 today, tomorrow & Friday. Adelaide is worse - forecast 45 degC today, 46 tomorrow.
Playing the Australian Open in mid January in Melbourne is insanity.
One of these days, someone is going to die of heat exhaustion.
I'm lucky - two [overworked] air-conditioners in my house.
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