World Ocean Temperatures - There and Back Again

[fredzl4dh]

Interesting article about El Nino and La Nino and deep sea geological heat flow.  climatechangedispatch.com/further-proof-el-ninos-are-fueled-by-deep-sea-geological-heat-flow/

[nautonnier]

Jan 29, 2017 11:07:48 GMT fredzl4dh said:

Interesting article about El Nino and La Nino and deep sea geological heat flow.  climatechangedispatch.com/further-proof-el-ninos-are-fueled-by-deep-sea-geological-heat-flow/

Hey Barry!

Looks like there may be a link to general volcanism and earthquakes and then a potential link to solar activity which is driven by.....

[missouriboy]

Jan 29, 2017 11:07:48 GMT fredzl4dh said:

Interesting article about El Nino and La Nino and deep sea geological heat flow.  climatechangedispatch.com/further-proof-el-ninos-are-fueled-by-deep-sea-geological-heat-flow/

Fred.  You're literature review is excellent.  I like and will use.     I remember speculation on just such origins back in my college days.  Exciting times if your butt isn't strapped into a CO2 dune buggy.     Perhaps we can have a contest to name it.  BUTSHE - Big Underwater Tropical Seas Heating Event?  Or you could rearrange to Big Tropical Under Sea Heating Event (BTUSHE).   That might be Bary's offspring.

I ran a quick Argo SST series for Jan, Fe and Mar, 2015 covering 10N to 10S from 100E to 140W. (1st set of 3 maps)  There does appear to be a sharp emergence of positive anomalies for the period (cold to the west).  You cannot see a plume in vertical cross-sections but there could be many reasons for that, including I cannot run anomalies for the vertical sections without exporting and manually calculating.

And then I remembered that there is more than one way to skin a rat (oops, I mean cat Ratty) ... and I extracted planar SSTs for different depth sections for Mar, 2015.  And presto, you can see the same thing at 100-300 meters, 300-500 meters and 500-1000 meters (2nd set of 3 maps).

[acidohm]

Gonna be a looong time to map any amount of sea bed/ monitor lava....thinking the search for MH370.??

Need to find some chemical signiture in the water plume.

If it becomes accepted there's a link between solar orbit/seismic activity/climate....that'd be pretty huge!!

[acidohm]

Any spectroscope satelites??

[Ratty]

This may be of some interest ..... published in 1990, presumably free of any CO2-is-evil infection?

Science: El Nino events devastated two ancient civilisations

Suggests that there is no link between CO2 and the Nino family?

Excerpt:

EXCEPTIONALLY strong El Nino events may have contributed to the downfall
of two early civilisations in Peru, according to American researchers. El
Nino is the name given to a cyclical change in the circulation of the ocean
and atmosphere over a large part of the south Pacific.

Michael Moseley, an anthropologist at the University of Florida in Gainesville,
has consulted historical records in Peru. He says that severe flooding devastated
coastal cities around AD 600 and AD 1100.

The evidence that this flooding was associated with strong El Nino events
comes from ice cores taken from a glacier about 1000 kilometres to the southwest
of the afflicted cities. The cores indicate that the Andes suffered unusually
severe droughts at around AD 600 and AD 1100. Normal El Nino events are
known to produce droughts in the highlands, although these are much shorter
than the two on record.

Researchers stress that the link between climate and the collapse of
ancient cultures in Peru is tentative. The ice cores that have been studied
do not record directly either coastal climate or El Nino events.

[missouriboy]

Jan 29, 2017 21:34:23 GMT acidohm said:

Any spectroscope satelites??

Nothing that penetrates water to that depth that I know of.  Argo be the data, if they ever start giving out the updates again.    I didn't see any mention of Argo in James Kamis's article.  His bio says he works for BTA Oil Producers LLC out of the Denver Office.  Think I'll call him and see if he's considered Argo.  I think I'll read his other articles again.  Like  climatechangedispatch.com/plate-climatology-theory/   
climatechangedispatch.com/why-el-nino-and-la-nina-are-one-continuous-geological-event/

[acidohm]

principia-scientific.org/chemistry-expert-carbon-dioxide-cant-cause-global-warming/

Never heard the energy balance air-ocean put this way before.

Not sure how anyone with any sense could argue against these simple facts?

[missouriboy]

May 21, 2017 12:45:06 GMT acidohm said:

principia-scientific.org/chemistry-expert-carbon-dioxide-cant-cause-global-warming/

Never heard the energy balance air-ocean put this way before.

Not sure how anyone with any sense could argue against these simple facts?

Weird Al and his Carbonettes will dance on his face!  

[acidohm]

earth.nullschool.net/#2017/10/30/0000Z/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=188.64,15.18,230

I don't remember seeing pacific, north especially, looking so average.
No warm patches....

[acidohm]

www.thegwpf.com/global-oceans-continue-to-cool/

Interesting how NH temps clearly follow a seasonal pattern, Tropics appear not to and reflect, perhaps unsurprisingly enso patterns. As do SH temps, maybe because of the greater ocean extent??

[nautonnier]

Meanwhile in other news..... For some reason the hyperbolic adjectives do not get thrown about with a La Nina

[blustnmtn]

Nov 19, 2017 11:11:10 GMT nautonnier said:

Meanwhile in other news..... For some reason the hyperbolic adjectives do not get thrown about with a La Nina

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Ratty]

It's actually not a 'real' La Niña and the pleasing thing is the non-coral-bleaching stuff off the NE coast of Oz.

From the BoM Hedge Fund:

The ENSO Outlook remains at La Niña WATCH. This means the chance of a La Niña forming in late 2017 is around 50%; twice the normal likelihood.

In the last fortnight, cooling of sea surface temperatures in the tropical Pacific has stalled, however climate models indicate further cooling is likely in the coming months. Atmospheric indicators are also showing a slight shift towards a weak La Niña-like state.

A La Niña WATCH is not a guarantee that La Niña will occur; it is an indication that some typical precursors of an event are in place. Climate models suggest that if an event does occur this year, it is likely to be weak and short-lived.

Bureau climatologists will continue to closely monitor developments in the tropical Pacific over the next fortnight. Further information on the current status of ENSO can be found in the ENSO Wrap-Up, linked below.

[missouriboy]

Something Is Happening in the Heart of the Tropical Oceans
                        (Paradigms may only be skin deep)

ARGO data
Anomaly From Monthly Mean Temperatures -Jan. 2004 to Aug. 2017 (last month available)
Upper left:  20S-20N Lat. 120E-360E Long. Pacific-Atlantic 0-100 meters depth
Upper right: 20S-20N Lat. 360E-120E Long. Indian 0-100 meters depth
Lower left: 20S-20N Lat. 120E-360E Long. Pacific-Atlantic 100-300 meters depth
Lower right: 20S-20N Lat. 360E-120E Long. Indian 100-300 meters depth

Some pictures ARE worth a thousand words.