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Post by duwayne on May 22, 2020 18:31:02 GMT
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext"We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19." This study was published today, May 22, and because of it's size, it will carry a lot of weight. It will be interesting to see whether this dampens doctors' enthusiasm for HCQ.
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Post by missouriboy on May 22, 2020 19:00:35 GMT
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext"We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19." This study was published today, May 22, and because of it's size, it will carry a lot of weight. It will be interesting to see whether this dampens doctors' enthusiasm for HCQ. As far as I can tell, none of these included zinc ... or they didn't say it ... or I missed it.
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Post by acidohm on May 22, 2020 19:08:37 GMT
UK orientated....but you get the gist..
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Post by nautonnier on May 22, 2020 19:29:25 GMT
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext"We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19." This study was published today, May 22, and because of it's size, it will carry a lot of weight. It will be interesting to see whether this dampens doctors' enthusiasm for HCQ. As far as I can tell, none of these included zinc ... or they didn't say it ... or I missed it. The doctors do not want HCQ to work, indeed I think that many would prefer patients die than HCQ work. I would never have thought that a political position could so poison what is meant to be dispassionate science.
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Post by missouriboy on May 22, 2020 23:37:36 GMT
The Communists will find a way to argue that it really means the opposite of what it says, just like they are doing with the apparent decouple between economic activity and CO2. All animals pigs are equal.
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Post by missouriboy on May 22, 2020 23:57:58 GMT
UK orientated....but you get the gist.. Good to see someone else trashing each other ... other than us.
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Post by duwayne on May 23, 2020 0:09:08 GMT
Almost all people who are infected by COVID-19 survive. This means a healthy human body has what it takes to successfully defend against and destroy C-19.
One clear defense that works is antibodies. In layman’s terms, the antibodies searh out and stick to the virus cells and in doing so say, in effect, “kill the cell I’m attached to”. The white blood cells oblige and kill the virus cells.
The hope is that the “Rapid Response” type of antibody kills off C-19 in the early stage. This antibody is virus-ready, but there’s not much of it and the body doesn’t produce it quickly. It is often successful but sometimes enough virus survives to do damage.
Here’s where the “Slower Response” antibodies hopefully will save the day. The body doesn't have an existing supply but in response to a C-19 invasion there's a great chance enough ”Slower Response” antibodies are produced to kill off the infection before the patient dies, but the body needs time.
While the “Slower Response” antibodies are responding and acting , the patient might die from lack of oxygen due to lung infections or as the infection progresses, infections and blood clots in the arteries liver, kidneys and heart.
Also, because of the C-19 infection, all of the body’s immune systems may be activated. There can be so much activity that the immune cells themselves might actually do harm. The so-called cytokine storm can be deadly.
If the patient survives into the later stages of C-19 infection I wonder if there isn’t already plenty of antibody being produced and the virus is in remission, but enough infections have already been created to lead to death for some patients. Hydroxychloroquine may not be useful at that point since killing the virus isn’t the issue.
If someone stabs you, killing the stabber will not affect whether you live or die.
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Post by sigurdur on May 23, 2020 2:50:44 GMT
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Post by sigurdur on May 23, 2020 4:53:43 GMT
A very good friends daughter had Covid19. She had a sore throat for about 4 hours. Her dad is a vitamin nut. He prescribed a bunch of supplements.
To make a short story shorter, she recovered and is fine.
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Post by sigurdur on May 23, 2020 5:09:36 GMT
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Post by missouriboy on May 23, 2020 5:31:21 GMT
You would almost think they didn't like DeSantis.
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Post by Ratty on May 23, 2020 7:26:36 GMT
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext"We were unable to confirm a benefit of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, when used alone or with a macrolide, on in-hospital outcomes for COVID-19. Each of these drug regimens was associated with decreased in-hospital survival and an increased frequency of ventricular arrhythmias when used for treatment of COVID-19." This study was published today, May 22, and because of it's size, it will carry a lot of weight. It will be interesting to see whether this dampens doctors' enthusiasm for HCQ. What appears to be emerging is that HCQ is useful in the early stages of the disease but less effective once patients require hospital admission. Nevertheless, I'm suspicious. The Lancet lost a lot of credibility with a report a few months back (I can't find it now ... sigh).
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Post by Ratty on May 23, 2020 7:40:58 GMT
You would almost think they didn't like DeSantis.
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Post by nautonnier on May 23, 2020 10:33:20 GMT
You would almost think they didn't like DeSantis. The media hate De Santis and the feeling is mutual It is looking like once the virus is in a community there is standard curve that is followed modulated by the population size, population density and the proportion of susceptible individuals. This curve is followed largely regardless of political actions like lockdowns and closing small businesses. Thanks to sunshine Florida has less susceptible individuals All the 'not as infectious in summer due to humidity' claims are made by the coastal effete as that is their experience of summer. Arizona doesn't have a huge amount of humidity. But in summer people are outside and their natural generation of vitamin D moves them from susceptible to less susceptible - nothing to do with how long sneeze droplets remain in the air. So where Floridians almost always get sun, New York City residents kept in cramped apartments and patients in nursing homes almost never do - giving these susceptible individuals vitamin D supplements would have saved a lot of lives.
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Post by missouriboy on May 23, 2020 14:39:31 GMT
You would almost think they didn't like DeSantis. The media hate De Santis and the feeling is mutual It is looking like once the virus is in a community there is standard curve that is followed modulated by the population size, population density and the proportion of susceptible individuals. This curve is followed largely regardless of political actions like lockdowns and closing small businesses. Thanks to sunshine Florida has less susceptible individuals All the 'not as infectious in summer due to humidity' claims are made by the coastal effete as that is their experience of summer. Arizona doesn't have a huge amount of humidity. But in summer people are outside and their natural generation of vitamin D moves them from susceptible to less susceptible - nothing to do with how long sneeze droplets remain in the air. So where Floridians almost always get sun, New York City residents kept in cramped apartments and patients in nursing homes almost never do - giving these susceptible individuals vitamin D supplements would have saved a lot of lives. He beat their favorite meth head. Much bad fiction could be written about a Florida "under the influence" of Gillum.
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